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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:03 PM
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From Alternet: Does American Face the Risk of a Fascist Backlash?
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/132155/does_america_face_the_risk_of_a_fascist_backlash_/


In early 1919, Germany put in place a new government to begin rebuilding the country after its crushing defeat in World War I. But the right-wing forces that had led the country into the War and lost the War conspired even before it was over to destroy the new government, the "Weimar Republic." They succeeded.

The U.S. faces a similar "Weimar Moment." The devastating collapse of the economy after eight years of Republican rule has left the leadership, policies, and ideology of the right utterly discredited. But, as was the case with Germany in 1919, Republicans do not intend to allow the new government to succeed. They will do everything they can to undermine it. If they are successful, the U.S. may yet go the way of Weimar Germany.

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As a result of the failure of the right, the German people elected a moderately leftist government to lead the nation's rebuilding. It was named the Weimar Republic for the city in which the new post-imperial constitution was written. The new government was led by Friedrich Ebert, head of the German Socialist Party.

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It was at this time that the right wing made its crucial decision. Despite its shocking, naked failure over the prior decade, despite the horrific devastation it had wrought on the German people, despite the discrediting of everything they had purported to stand for, they would fight Ebert, his new government, and its plans for recovery. They would do everything they could to make sure that the new government failed.

Their strategy was two-fold: first, stoke the resentment of the population about the calamitous state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions had been created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretended to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.


If you'll excuse me, I'll be in my basement cleaning my guns...
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:05 PM
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1. The funny thing is that the...
"Freedom fighter" wannabes in the sticks claim that they are against anything but a Fascist government.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:08 PM
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2. There are some very relevant comments after the article. The one thing that
kept coming to mind was Glen Beck.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:20 PM
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5. Notice how they offer magic solutions to people's problems.
Glenn Beck, rather than talking about complex issues like the economy, foreign relations, and so on; offers his Nine Principles and Twelve Values claptrap, couched with pump-me-up rhetoric like "We Surround Them"...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:08 PM
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3. Some consider the Clinton era our "Weimar" phase
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:00 PM
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7. Good point.
At least Obama probably the strongest and best leader we could possibly get to lead us through these times. Obama has enough teflon to put some strong resistance to the GOP Fascist's attempts to tear him apart.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:29 PM
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11. One would like to hope, but given the long standing, massively corrupt system...
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 01:31 PM by Echo In Light
...any 'decent' elected, or "elected," representative isn't likely to be granted entrance sans willingness to play ball as usual. In this sense, many reps become akin to actors fulfilling two roles: bullshit us, while tending to "business" in secret. And it goes on and on, yet the people just keep buying into the exact same ruse over and over again, never seeming to reach the point where enough is enough.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:08 PM
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4. And, Republicans have been using the "stabbed in the back"
meme for decades now - it's how McCarthyism started, then Nixon with his deriding the anti-war crowd, then Reagan, then Bush.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:21 PM
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6. AlterNet has (re)printed some mighty stupid things in its time
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 12:24 PM by Dogmudgeon
On Edit: changed a preposition and a pronoun to a noun.

But with this article, all can be forgiven. It's simply the best thing I've seen at AlterNet in a couple of years.

Don't misunderstand -- AlterNet has also published a lot of good stuff in its time. It's a mixed bag, and deliberately. It at least tries to represent a wide field of progressive viewpoints and analyses. But this article is one of those few real gems you'll find anywhere, at any given time, and it makes up for whatever weaknesses AlterNet may have.

I'm saving the article and sending it to as many of my friends as I can. (The print version is easy to copy-and-paste.) I'd urge you to do likewise.

--d!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:05 PM
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8. Hitler put the German people back to work
He was quite the populist. Built a great highway system, armaments, concentration camps. After doing their time building highways, men could join the Wehrmacht and enjoy the scenery of Poland and the Ukraine.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:18 PM
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9. Well.... time for some more Celexa. :(
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Dems2002 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:19 PM
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10. This scares me
This scares me -- particularly so right now, in that I think the Obama Administration is screwing up the banking industry. I'd feel a lot, lot better if we had some liberal economists as part of our team and not just the idiots who got us into this mess.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:53 PM
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12. we all need to be vigilant, at all times it is our responsibility no matter who is pres!


I have a lot of questions ...

Tim Geithner worked for 3 years at Kissingers firm..and then the CFR.........

Look into the back ground of Geithners dad , Peter Geithner and his ties to Obama's mom and step dad!!

Google is your friend!!


See Obama sent Kissinger To Russia shortly after becoming president to represent the Obama administration in Russia..
Kissinger who held positions with Nixon, Ford and Reagan !!!!!!!!!!!!

this kissinger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GThfWVCfjVo&eurl=http ://...

"There is a need for a new world order," Kissinger told PBS interviewer Charlie Rose last year, "I think that at the end of this administration, with all its turmoil, and at the beginning of the next, we might actually witness the creation of a new order – because people looking in the abyss, even in the Islamic world, have to conclude that at some point, ordered expectations must return under a different system."


This is the Kissinger Obama sent to Russia........representing his administration..

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/82may/hershwh2.htm

Kissinger and Nixon in the White House
by Seymour M. Hersh



http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0611-03.htm


and that is just for starters!!

and from another poster here at du....thank you Jambalaya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Larry Summers and California Energy "crisis" / Enron

During the California energy crisis of 2000, then-Treasury Secretary Larry Summers teamed with Alan Greenspan and Enron executive Kenneth Lay to lecture California Governor Gray Davis on the causes of the crisis, explaining that the problem was excessive government regulation.<8> Under the advice of Kenneth Lay, Summers urged Davis to relax California's environmental standards in order to reassure the markets.

.......................................................................

WSJ: Citi's Chief Economist Leaves for Treasury Post


Source: The Wall Street Journal

Citigroup Inc.'s chief economist is leaving the New York company for a job at the U.S. Treasury Department, according to an internal Citigroup memo.

Lewis Alexander, who has been at Citigroup since 1999 and before that worked at the Federal Reserve, will head to Treasury "to work on domestic financial issues," said the Citigroup memo, which was sent Tuesday.

According to a government official, Mr. Alexander will be a counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Mr. Alexander and a Treasury spokesman weren't immediately available to comment Tuesday. A Citigroup spokesman declined to elaborate on the company's memo.
(...)
Mr. Alexander's role as Citigroup's chief economist didn't entail significant management responsibilities. But his optimistic economic forecasts colored executives' views that the U.S. was unlikely to face a prolonged slump.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123732747181462245.html

anyone have warm fuzzies yet?????????

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

who can make this crap up???????????



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4530042/Cold-warrior-Henry-Kissinger-woos-Russia-for-Barack-Obama.html
Despite his pariah status with many Left-wingers in Mr Obama's Democratic Party, the president forged relations with Mr Kissinger during his campaign.

The compliment was returned when the 85-year-old veteran of the Nixon and Ford administrations said last month that the young president was in a position to create a "new world order" by shifting US foreign policy away from the hostile stance of the Bush administration.


He publicly supported Mr Obama's notion of unconditional talks with Iran, though not at the presidential level.

Further demonstrating his willingness to work with his opponents on foreign policy issues, Mr Obama turned to two veteran Republicans steeped in Cold War experience to press home his plans.

Shortly after Mr Kissinger's trip, Richard Lugar, a Republican senator from Indiana who has worked on nuclear disarmament issues for 30 years, also visited Moscow. George Schultz, another former secretary of state, has also played a vital role.

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why did Obama send Kissinger to Russia a few weeks ago , representing his administration and the USA..
lets see shall we??????

http://www.answers.com/topic/timothy-f-geithner

Timothy Geithner
Career
After completing his studies, Geithner worked for Kissinger and Associates in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–1998).<

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.<5> Summers was his mentor,<1> but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.<9><10><11>


In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.<7> At the International Monetary Fund he was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003).<5>
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:22 PM
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13. Meh, if we would have gone either commie or fascie it would have happened...
we came close to having a viable communist party in the 1930's. It frittered away because at the end of the day, people like to get paid for the work that they do and not make the same as the guy next to them who does nothing.

we just passed through our fascist phase with moron*.

If our system of government collapses, it won't be fascism that replaces it, it will be a sampling from agra-feudalism, techno-feudalism and a quazi-fundamentalist theocracy, all of which will be regional. The concept of a central government will appear on paper, but in reality won't exist.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:35 PM
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14. EXACTLY
This is why my relief at Obama being elected lasted a whole week. I've been getting increasingly worried ever since. Especially since his economic team appears to be the bungling Marx brothers. This last initiative by the Fed to print money, instead of just nationalizing the banks (like Sweden did in the 90's or the U.K. did earlier this year), is a cure worse than the ailment.

Unless President Obama pulls his head out of his ass, we'll all be remembering him as America's President Wiemar. Seriously, President Obama is going to have to go to war with Wall Street and the banking establishment that is really running this country, or he will simply be remembered as the President who enabled the successor dictatorship.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:28 PM
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15. The thing that scares me the most.
During the Bush Administration, we had fascism lite. While they tried to bring some totalitarian concepts into government, they couldn't turn up the volume knob high enough. They didn't have the support, so we were able to speak up, speak out and throw those fucks out of power.

Next time, it probably won't be lite. If the Republican fascists are able to wrest back power again, and they manage to find a frontman who doesn't speak in malapropisms, chances are they'll throw everything they've got into keeping it. They'll suspend the Constitution, start committing acts of violence against everyone from blacks to Democrats to academics, and speaking out will get you a bullet in the head.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 05:05 PM
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16. This is why the RWers are buying all those guns and ammo -
prep for their "big revolution" against the 80% of the nation whose minds were poisoned by the Communist/Democrat/ Socialist Obama. They say they will just go by their lists of homes who displayed Obama signs during the election and start shooting everyone. (I have read this on several sites, and been thrown off of one of them.)

Some of these people are seriously crazy in addition to being seriously stupid and warped by the GOP's idea of politics, and I expect a few small violent incidents probably over the summer, but I doubt it will amount to much.

mark
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:55 PM
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17. Now I understand why I keep hearing 2012 is such a pivotal election.
Which is why Bush &Co MUST go to trial, this would clear up who is responsible for the state of the country!!
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