Where is the 'Obama is going take away our guns' meme coming from?

I know it's been a mainstay of rightwing talk/hate radio for a while but I seem to be hearing it a lot more. Especially from right wing idiot sister-in-law. So who's doing it? Beck? FoxNews in general? Boortz? She listens to them ALL. Not kidding, she has that crap on while she sleeps. I know freepers are about as subtle as a bag of hammers but are they actually saying, "Obama will take your guns!!!" or is it something else?

They've been frantically spreading the message. Run! Scream! Obama's coming to take your guns! Pelosi, too!

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I am getting them as well as NRA emails.

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From NRA

I'm a life member of the NRA (joined 27 years ago before my conservative brainwashing wore off) and Wayne LePierre is always claiming that Democrats basically have no other agenda than the removal of all guns from all people everywhere.

For example, in the latest issue of "American Rifleman", LaPierre states "If you don't contact your Congressman and Senators today and the Brady Campaign gets what it wants on private sales and the rest of its gun ban agenda, believe this: for gun owners there will be no catch and release, there will be no prosecutorial discretion."

Every issue is filled with his "ooga-booga", the sky-is-falling, we're-going-to-lose-our-guns claptrap.

Funny, I thought Carter, Clinton and various state initiatives had taken care of all that...

but from what I understand, he supported a ban on handguns in Illinois, the NRA blew the whole thing out of proportion trying to make people think he supports a countrywide ban.

More likely just in Chicago. My inlaws are from rural Illinois. Everyone there owns handguns, shotguns, etc.

Obama has maintained he would leave such legislation to the states. Maybe the Chicago law was something he supported while Senator.

NRA used to be a moderate sportsmans association. Then right winger Wayne LaPierre took it over...

Googling for it seems to only turn up pages from sources biased against him.

he was also in favor of going after collar county gun stores that sell guns under the counter to people who traffic guns to the gangs.

he has never been against guns used for hunting.

but I couldn't find a source with full details.

to a local gunshop.
I tell them most Democrats have guns to use against the right wing uprising and they get real quiet....

BTW, Walmart is almost out of ammo - again.
mark

ADDED: In many states it's not legal to even plan to confiscate guns-the Constitution of Pennsylvania states that the "right of citizens to bear arms in self defense" shall never be challenged. The State has no legal right to register any guns at all, period. The PA State Police are currently being sued over this - they have been keeping "Records of Sale" of handguns illegally for many years.

mark

:rofl: Yes, we LIBERAL folk also have our blessed firearms. :-)

"I tell them most Democrats have guns to use against the right wing uprising and they get real quiet..."

:rofl: :thumbsup:

Should put a "Yes We Did!" sticker on it....


mark

:) :hi: :D

The same ones who keep spreading the lie that Obama isn't a citizen, that Obama is a Muslimn, etc.

I don't disagree with the posts above - the NRA, RW radio hosts, and gun dealers are all making the most of the opportunity. But its not like the administration hasn't given them the fuel. AG Holder recently announced the Obama admin's intention to renew the AWB, and the White House website includes a permanent AWB as a goal. Only sensible democratic members of Congress, who respect the 2nd amendment, are preventing it from happening.

I'm not joining in the panic, but it's no mystery why it's happening.

The administration should just be quit waffling and say outright they support RKBA.

Seriously.

and his AG's support of continued efforts by local DC officials to continue their unconstitutional restrictions on the citizen's 2nd amendment rights. Holder, in his official capacity, speaks for Obama - it is as simple as that.

he was against all handguns & semi-autos. "He" because later he stated it was a staff member who filled out the questionaire.

Now it comes mostly from his stated desire to re-instate the "assault weapon" ban. That along with Biden & his VERY anti-gun AG.

From Whitehouse.gov (urban issues)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

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There is lots in there to worry a RKBA advocate. Surveillance issues, "gun show loophole" - in other words ban the private sale of firearms, and of course the AWB.

Holder sure did not help either. His comments while he was a) still new and in the news, and b) a few days after his comments on race and was in the news.

Thankfully 65 dems were brave enough to write a smackdown letter to holder.

But it sure is enough to get the natives restless.

No one can take guns away. No cop (or soldier) in her/his right mind would want to have to risk their life going door to door.

It is about taking away the rights to acquire guns, transfer guns, and purchase affordable ammo. It is a possible multi-generational ban that will take the guns away. Example: Dad owns an AR-15, dad dies, son/daughter cannot inherit, gun goes to the feds. - Actually I guess the high cap mags, bayonet lug, pistol grips and muzzle flash suppressor would be banned if AWB2 looked like AWB1. Edit: would kid be able to keep the mechanism and barrel?? :)

While the slippery slope may be a fallacy, it looks to me that my 2a rights will be infringed upon in ways which I do not like.

Any gun that met the definition of 'assault weapon' (whatever that is) would become contraband and the person possessing the gun would become a criminal. They did this already in Great Britain and Australia ... a timeframe was allotted for turning in the banned guns, then the ban became effective.

The 1994 AWB only banned rifles with specific, but irrelevant, cosmetic features. It was only in effect for 10 years. Any 'renewal' of the AWB will not just be a repeat of the same old law. The proponents of a new ban are not interested in only banning 'pistol grips' or 'barrel shrouds' this time ... the target is semi-autos in general. And there won't be a 10yr limit .. the White House policy statement says 'permanent.'

I don't think a 'permanent' ban without a grandfather clause, i.e. a confiscation, could ever pass. But that doesn't mean there won't be an attempt.

However, in this world we have legislators who worry about getting elected. Guns seem to be a big swing issue in moderate circles.

Until the Prez comes out with a statement supporting RKBA without weasel words like "hunting" and "sporting", many will stay worried. And the right wing loony bin will be frothing regardless of any policy statements until the Republicans get back in. So fuck them, they are on ignore.

His answer to the question as a candidate was, "Even if I want to, I don't have the votes." That's not the kind of emphatic denial that inspires confidence. But I don't think it WILL happen because too many Congressional democrats in both houses have already shown they don't want to play.

As already mentioned above, it's not really about "theyre gonna take our guns!!" although there are certainly plenty of yahoos who're acting like the great confiscation is already under way. Informed 2nd Am. advocates are concerned gradual erosion, just like they've done to the 4th Am. with the 'drug war.'

As it is, there are at least 65 House Democrats and nine Senate Democrats who stand opposed to any new gun ban. This is going to make passage of such a ban difficult, if not impossible.

Our numbers on Capitol Hill are growing.

I'm not sure if I hope we would act like UK/Aussie or if we would be more... um... resistant.

I'm pretty sure I'd go criminal. A lot of my stuff is private sale and as long as it stayed in the safe no one would know. I might turn a few in to look good and bury the rest. But... I also might mouse up to protect my family/friends/self. Hope to hell I wouldn't, but I might.

However, all this said. I think guns are pretty safe for a while. Ammo... er... not so sure about.

... going to happen. Period. End of story.

that he couldn't take them away if he wanted to. I've seen him state that he's not going to take away anyone's guns -- that's the wrong thing to say, it implies that he does have the power to do that.

We (America and democracy) cannot afford to lose the angry gun owner to fascism.

My right wing brother in law worls for Walmart and he told me in December that Obama was going to tax the hell out of ammuniion. I asked him where he got this information and he told me that management had told him. I have looked every where and cannot find any info regarding this. It is simply propaganda by the NRA and places like Walmart so they can get more memmbers/sales from the 20% that still beleive George Bush was the greatest president ever. I can't wait for the rapture to come and get these people.

The Chicago area isnt know for its support of gun rights.

Also he publicly supports an assault weapon ban.

and which VP Biden was very closely connected to in the past. There's still some "we promise to ban 'assault weapons'" verbage on whitehouse.gov, under Urban Policy.

"Assault weapon" is scare-speak for the most popular civilian centerfire rifles in the USA, and more Americans lawfully own them than hunt.

Fortunately, Congressional Dems have pretty much put the kibosh on the "assault weapon" fraud for now.

... almost every single night. Rarely a show goes by where he isn't growling about something Obama should or should not be doing, and taking away our guns is a mainstay for him.

who are so remarkably tone-deaf that they feel like squandering political capital on a loser issue like gun control.

He was gonna take them, too.

Wonder how many Clinton got?