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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:39 PM Original message |
SIX hours elapsed before Natasha R. received specialized trauma care. |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't blame this on the ski resort |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. After the SECOND call, it took several hours and two hospitals before she |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I do not understand the significance |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. So why didn't they helicopter her directly out to the trauma center in Montreal? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The answer is mundane |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. By 3 pm they knew the situation was dire. It was at that point I think they |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I'm wondering if, by the time its obvious that the situation is dire, its too late? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Luckily for the 90% of Americans who do not live in the backyard of a Level 1 Trauma Center |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. The OP was NOT painting a picture of incompetence at the receiving hospital. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
45. So in your eyes it is about this particular patient and their own personal wealth |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. You said that cost would be the reason she wasn't transported by medivac and |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Cost IS a reason that they don't med-evac every head injury |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. It isn't the reason they didn't medivac HER. n/t |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. She lost consciousness on the way to the hospital in Ste Agathe... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #72 |
97. What a crock, to romanticize death that way. This woman had two young sons. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. If you're saying she didn't like to ski, that implies she's been before. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. That doesn't mean she likes it. That's the point her mother was making. n/t |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. I guess my point is, if she's been before, she wasn't a complete newbie. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #114 |
155. I'm not saying that anyone was at fault here because I don't see how that kind |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. pnwmom, I don't think anyone's saying it was her fault as opposed to theirs. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. then why was she taking a lesson? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
154. The majority of people on ski slopes still don't wear helmets and there is the |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
178. Because helicopters were grounded due to weather per |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
51. How long do you think it takes an Iraqi mother to get help for her and her child when her home is |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. I'm not comparing Canadian care to U.S. care. I'm pointing out that the |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. if she had listened to her ski instructor |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I think asking someone who is possibly brain injured to make a competent decision |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
117. well you can't blame the ski resort for that |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #117 |
156. The problem is that they turned the medics away without even speaking to her. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #156 |
168. They tried to get her to allow assessment but she refused. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
123. It is, but until a person is obviously incapable, they are. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #123 |
158. The thing is, the medics weren't even given a chance to speak to her. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. SHE refused to see them. |
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stklurker (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
87. ski resorts |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
88. there's always one |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
187. You would lose that bet. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Looks like she refused to go, and it didn't take long to get to er. Lesson is: Don't listen |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Even after the 2nd call from the resort, it took several more hours before |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. More thoughts and bits from that article about feeling fine after head injury... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Here in Seattle, in a trauma case like this they'd take someone directly |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. That is protocol ANYWHERE there is a local major trauma center |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. I would prefer that ski resorts were more open about the real risks of injury |
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stklurker (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
89. negligence |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
105. I'm leaving open the possibility, not accusing them. But I think they made |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #105 |
120. what part of SHE REFUSED do you not understand? |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Sounds like one of those situations |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I agree with you. Posted that for future reference for others. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Thanks. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
38. I was lucky as well. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I'm very glad for you. n/t |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
169. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #169 |
189. exactly eom |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. But it was her choice |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. The problem was that they couldn't evacuate her directly to a trauma center. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. They HAVE to transport to the nearest hospital |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. No, they don't. In my county they would transport to the nearest trauma center, which is not |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Virtually every ski resort I've been to has an area that can be used for them. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. They turned the ambulance away without even examining her. |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Do we know with certainty who turned away the first ambulance? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I haven't seen anything about who turned the first ambulance away. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. If a patient refuses treatment |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
60. And not questioning such a patient closely may constitute negligence. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
79. SHE REFUSED THE FIRST AMBULANCE |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #79 |
101. Refusing to go to the hospital cost her 2 and a half hours of time. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #101 |
121. until now you've been blaming the resort |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #121 |
160. I'm not blaming anyone at this point, because the facts aren't out yet. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. "They turned the ambulance away" sounds like blame. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. I know I'm glad I live three minutes away from a level one trauma center |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. Had she gone for a check up when the first ambulance arrived |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Very tragic. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Thanks for the photos. They were lovely, and I hadn't seen most of them before. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
57. Yep |
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chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
17. She refused treatment and SIGNED A STATEMENT as such. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. I'm not casting blame. But I think crucial time was lost when the decision was made |
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JSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. Her death will probably save lives |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Definitely. I'll bet she's already saved a life. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
61. I took my girlfriend skiing a few times this past winter, |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. People very often minimize their own injuries. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
22. People Who Live Take Risks |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. Former medic here |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I remember reading an article in the NYT several years ago talking about this |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
67. Recalling the great mountain climbing wars of DU |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Your argument is sound as long as ski resorts are open about the risks. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. the minute you sign the waiver |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Don't you think that if the waiver included the information that urgent |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
116. no, I don't |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
145. I think that most skiers understand this anyway. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
186. What the hell did the medics do in her hotel room for 30 minutes before transporting her? |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
25. it's a MOOT point now. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. It is for Richardson, but not for anyone else who still skis. n/t |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
29. The ambulance got there in nine minutes on the second call. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. No, they didn't take her directly to a trauma center. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. You don't send every head injury to trauma center |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Is there any reason they couldn't have the means to do a CT scan at the |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Yes. I would prefer to have my CTs read by someone who knows how to do them |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. At many smaller hospitals, these scans are read long distance anyway. n/t |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
40. the Daily Mail said the first hospital operated |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. No, they said it was at the second hospital in Montreal that she had the surgery. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #42 |
93. ok, second |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
136. and the article *also* says she missed the "golden hour" |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
41. I'm think if she would have worn a helmet she'd most likely still be here |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I'm not seeing this as finger pointing, but as something many of us can learn from. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
48. On the news |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I'm not really sure what the OP is trying to indict |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. I'm not trying to "indict" either one. I'm asking questions, but mostly |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
83. It's also a problem for campers, mountain climbers, people who vacation on remote islands... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I doubt that people in ski resorts -- which can feel like small cities -- realize |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. I don't know if you ski... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:45 AM Original message |
You have more confidence in people's knowledge of these risks than I do. n/t |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
102. But then, what can you say, except people should inform themselves? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
52. Had she agreed to go to the hospital right after her fall, she probably |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. We have no idea if she would have survived if she agreed |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
65. After the fact Monday Morning Quarterbacking |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. As I asked in the OP, in the event you sustain a serious injury while skiing, |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
66. There wasn't much the paramedics could do if she refused to go to the hospital |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. My question is about what happened after they made the second trip. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. And people have already answered your question. You just don't like the answer. |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. It's tragic, but there are a string of unanswered questions |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. oh honestly, nothing hit her on the head |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #81 |
94. 'The bleeding that led to the clot was caused by "blunt impact to the head," |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Blunt impact to the head can be caused by a fall. Hello? |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. No kidding. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
124. are you suggesting |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Here's a fact you won't read in the liberal media |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #124 |
179. I'm suggesting that there are good reasons to ask questions |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. If whoever was initially examining her just took her word for it -- didn't question |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. You CANNOT examine a patient who refuses treatment |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. The question is not whether they touched her. The question is whether |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Malpractice attorney? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. So you're saying that if they noticed, for example, that one pupil was visibly larger |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Do you know for certain she didn't have sunglasses on? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I don't see why she would have been wearing her sunglasses indoors, do you? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. The point is |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
86. Maybe they didn't see the need right away? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #86 |
96. maybe who didn't see the need? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #96 |
108. No, the delay because of her refusal was between 12:43 -- when they called |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. It could be a cultural difference between american/british and french |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
125. She would not have needed to be stabilized |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
159. I think the resort made a poor choice when they turned back the ambulance |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #159 |
171. Prove the resort turned away the ambulance and it wasn't her refusal to be assesed. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
134. Sorry to intrude again, I'll leave your thread alone after this... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
110. I was responding to criticism about the hospital |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #110 |
129. no site test |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
98. How fast do people expect that type of care? |
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serrano2008 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. With Universal Health Care she would have been airlifted to the |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. LOL I wondered how long it would take n/t |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
104. They were 20 minutes from a community hosp and 1 hour fro trauma center |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
122. It's very hard to even know a person has this kind of injury. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Yes it's not like every head injury leads to that kind of an outcome. |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
126. Why does any idiot go skiing in the first place? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. I say we should ban driving first. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. Let's strap boards to our feet and jump off a cliff! |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. Driving gets useful stuff done. Sliding down ice does not. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #142 |
172. Recreation isn't getting "useful stuff done"? |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #172 |
183. "Recreation" is screaming in terror before you die? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #183 |
185. "God, you rich people who ski are so screwed up." bwahahahahahahaha |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:26 AM Response to Reply #185 |
190. No, Disney and surf people are NOT SUICIDING. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:31 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. You keep changing the goal posts. "get things done" to "wreck the economy" to "suicidal" |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. There is one constant factor. SKIING IS SUICIDE. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. bwahahahahahahaha. |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. It's called "wisdom," Charlene. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Yet I haven't died yet. It's called "experience" Velma. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. most moronic post of the thread. and that's saying something. |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. And here's the apologist for sliding down a slope. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. on noooes. I'm an apologist for "sliding down a slope" |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #135 |
151. seconded... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
128. I think it is up to us, the ones who travel to destinations and participate |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. You can not force an adult to be examined against their will. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. You can refuse them accomadations unless they do get the |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. Well, most adults are assumed to be able to |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. how obvious |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. I don't think the solution is to assume no adult can make |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. If the adult falls on the slopes and the staff is concerned about the |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Why not go further and forbid skiing altogether? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. that is silly |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #139 |
173. It is obvious that making decisions for one's self does not always equal wise decisions. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #137 |
162. But we're talking about an adult with a possible head injury. n/t |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
144. how long before that puts them out of business |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Yea exactly. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #146 |
164. They knew this wasn't just a little spill, because they had someone accompany |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #164 |
174. "they turned away the ambulance with medics before it even got there." |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. What great PR it would be |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Kicking them out doesn't sound like putting their well being and |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. I disagree. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #153 |
180. Yep. And while the hotel is at it, they should pad all their rooms. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #180 |
181. How boring, you are like a broken record, a silly broken record |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. I think that a mandatory helmet law for their area would be |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #144 |
163. Exactly. The resorts are concerned about the PR more than the risk to the |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. bullshit |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
166. "...unlike most provinces, Quebec has no emergency helicopter system." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #166 |
176. That explains a lot, thanks. Maybe this well-publicized death will benefit |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
175. I don't think you can force someone who does not want medical care to receive it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. What were they supposed to do? I think they at least could have let |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #177 |
188. Who turned them away? And yes, asking her questions is part of the assessment process of care. |
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pdxmike (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
182. a doc's perspective |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Here's the perspective of the top trauma doc in Montreal. |
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