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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 04:57 PM Original message |
Feinstein: Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. BlooInBloo: Fuck you, Feinstein. |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Amen! When is she up again? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. You are anti environment, congratulations |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. No ... Yosemite doesn't get a lot of sun ... Congrats, you're a purist |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. why does it have to be in a NATIONAL PRESERVE? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
188. IT ISN'T! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #188 |
193. and BLM lands are also to be preserved in accordance with their uses |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #193 |
208. You had your facts wrong. Deal with it. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #208 |
209. land outside the preserve is also appropriate to protect, especially under in light of the following |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #209 |
236. Why not along the railroad line mentioned in the article? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #236 |
252. isn't the railroad line and adjacent area privately owned? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
224. why not ask the Navajo in Arizona if they would be interested in |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
243. The environment is not something contained within the borders of a national preserve. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
77. Yosemite gets lots of sun by the way |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
212. Naw...Yosemite converted to a ski resort would be much better... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
255. That's okay, so is DiFi. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Wrong Mr. Bloo, Feinstein is 100% right on this and she has a terrific record on desert preservation |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Possibly I'm wrong (on *this* being a good reason for my "fuck you").... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. The land is a NATIONAL PRESERVE, i don't need to prove *it* to you |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
158. WRONG. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #158 |
171. i didn't argue against all parts of the Mojave Desert being used |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #158 |
213. That is correct. The Mojave is approx 22,000 square miles... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #213 |
266. Roughly 50% of which ALREADY qualifies as degraded habitat. You want to add more? |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. The area is roughly 50% degraded already; roughly 11,000 square miles? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
148. I suspect that probably is the answer... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
231. You waste your virtual breath here. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
239. One little detail this response misses... the 20% by 2020 CA law. |
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VeraAgnes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Jeepers........... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. That is one of our national parks, SHE IS RIGHT to fight to preserve it |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. They've got their fingers in their ears going "La la la I can't heeeeeear you" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. thank you...i badmouth her all the time, but she did good in 1994 to protect our deserts |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
143. she's one of my senators as well, and i think she sucks on most issues.. |
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MaxPlancker (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #143 |
233. I have a solution |
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Titanothere (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
283. People are obviously waking up to the fact that you can't get something for nothing. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Second that: Fuck you, Feinstein |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. okay solar panels in your living room |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Don't worry about it, I already have space and plans to put them in |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. no, that's not enough |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:01 PM Original message |
Fine with me, I've lived on the streets before. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. i'm just pissed that in the name of environmentalism you would piss away a national preserve |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
124. OK, then how do you suggest we power the air conditioners all over the |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. the only place to put solar is in the Mojave National Preserve? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. I see solar panels on every roof in the US. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #138 |
246. You are my hero! |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
241. I'l second that... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. Solar can't run shit. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Gee, I wish I could talk out my ass. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
88. Wow! I don't know where you get your information but it's |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
120. Who pays the salaries of the 'scientists'??? |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
91. This interview with John Woolard , CEO of Bright Source Energy, explains their technology |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. 750 square miles of desert development?! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
126. Can we store the waste at your house???? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. Developing technologies |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #132 |
140. Let me know when that happens and i'll back nooks all the way. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #132 |
153. I hear "developing technologies" will give me PONIES too! I'm so excited!!! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #153 |
200. Fuck. Sign me up for some of that shit... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #132 |
168. Swell. In the meantime, clear out your closets. We're keeping it all at your place |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #132 |
232. Developing technologies will also give us "clean coal", so the commercials tell me |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
240. That's asinine. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #240 |
261. Well-designed nuclear power plants are safe. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
245. According to BLM, 30 million acres of public lands are available for consideration |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
235. Amen brother. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Like those clouds of smog aren't ruining it already |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. The Mojave doesn't have much smog, come on, get a clue |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. According to the Mojave land trust it does... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. we aren't talking LA levels of smog |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
66. if you don't believe that the smog/pollution prob is global |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. that's not a reason to develop the MOJAVE NATIONAL PRESERVE |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. the smog levels there aren't the issue |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. why can't we say no in a national preserve? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. But solar is magic. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. it seems to trump all logic and reasoning |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. at some point it needs to move |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. you go find the other place, i'll keep making sure it ain't this place |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #110 |
139. NIMBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. NIMBY: |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #108 |
199. Ding! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!! If some think it *isn't* a juggling act then fine... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #199 |
202. Best.Gif.Ever!!! |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:39 PM Original message |
So what's the sollution? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
111. The short term solution is nuclear. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #111 |
145. Not nearly as impossible as you think. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #145 |
214. How about fusion on the cheap? |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. anwr is double edged |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. but you missed my point: WHY HERE? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
142. There were crop failures world wide the year after St Helen's went off... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
128. That's right.... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. What is wrong with rooftops and tops of parking garages? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Sounds to me like she's just making shit up to roadblock alternative energy production... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. The California Desert Protection Act of 1994 thanks to Senator Feinstein |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Good point, especially in the desert areas ... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. you don't trade a national park for 500 000 acres of solar panels |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Good point re Nevada. The desert is worth preserving from development & nuke waste both. nt |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Exactly. |
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DavidMS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Its the cost |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I hadn't heard of the solar thermal plant vs photovoltaic argument. Thx for the heads up. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. Water in the desert??? Diverted from WHERE? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I did find that a bit curious. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. That leapt out at me too. Water dependent systems in the Mojave? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
82. yes and you've got to pump it there somehow |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
206. There's always liquid sodium. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Why THIS desert? This is protected land. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
81. then you argue that National Parks are NIMBYISM too |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. Where are these massive publicly owned urban areas? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
234. massive areas? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #234 |
244. You do realize that we are not talking about powering a camper don't you? |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. If I were a Vegas casino, I'd have put 'em on my massive roof long ago |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Installation and maintenance would be a lot easier if they were in one place. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
62. your math is incorrect: 750 square miles |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
125. That is a huge amount of land. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #125 |
133. think of the roads and utilities necessary to support 500k acres of development |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. Cascade effects |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
156. It's only 3.5% of the whole desert. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #156 |
172. your argument is much like those in favor of drilling in ANWR |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #172 |
186. Are you dense? The reserve =/= the whole desert |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
69. and office buildings and over roads and train tracks... it's already ugly |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:11 PM Original message |
Dupe |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
242. Much preferred but some of us don't have roofs to put panels on. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #242 |
247. Do you have windows? I hear they are working on technology |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #242 |
264. Are you homeless? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
263. That would make way too much sense |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. If there is an alternative place to place the panels, it would be better. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
237. Why not put the panels at Area 51? I don't think the aliens would mind. n/t |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
280. If we can find a way around the corrosion, then I'd suggest Utah's |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
9. I believe if global warming climate change isn't addressed with the utmost urgency by |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Exactly |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fienstein has got to go!!!! She, like Lieberman, is anti-democrat!!! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Feinstein created the Mojave National Preserve, as an environmentalist I applaud her |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. She protects a delicate ecosystem full of magnificent creatures |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
238. How many little solar panels could we get on those tortoise shells? n/t |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #238 |
262. Now THERE'S a plan I can support. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
11. Christ this NIMBY shit is going to cripple the green power industry |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. The ignorant and fearful already used that to kill the nuclear industry, |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
60. Not NIMBY, |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
159. The Mojave desert's physical extant is larger than the preserve |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #159 |
173. But Feinstein is specifically referring to plans that would compromise the lands in the preserve |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
160. You know, it's not like we're planning to concrete over the whole thing. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #60 |
267. NIMBY that is what they were talking about |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. protecting national preserves is not NIMBY |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
137. Thank you for your common snense |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
98. THIS GUY IS A NIMBY |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
155. your reply in convenient jpeg form |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #155 |
174. you are arguing for development of a National Preserve |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
12. She's certainly not my favorite Senator... |
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Tikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
13. Maybe California could hire Christo.... |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. That part of the Mojave should be protected--you may not like DiFi, but she's right... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. Amen. Finally someone recognizes that this is land of legal significance |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
227. Yes! |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
257. And military bases not being used for much at the moment |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. Ground based solar is stupid, do it with stratellites above the clouds... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
161. Which unfortunately, don't exist as yet. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
30. I agree with her on this one |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
33. Find a way to make everyone HAPPY...its not hard...all we gatta do is TRY |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. Hear, hear! Plenty of fossil fuels left to burn, what's the rush? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
38. This is a bad headline |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
42. house rooftop solar...not corporate whore controlled solar nt |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
45. The most important thing we can possibly do is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
47. If you want to destroy a desert for solar, I frankly hope this guy haunts your dreams |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
80. Certainly not advocating that this land be used |
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Titanothere (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
285. Wow, just looking at that guy makes me want to drop acid n/t |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
50. Everyone seems to be fighting a straw dog here. |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
57. Someone! |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
61. Shut up, DiFi! Damn, when the hell are you going to retire already!? n/t |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Fuck that. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. . |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Yes.. those poor fragile ecosystems..will be better as soon as DIFI gets her kickbacks.. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. You people? |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
107. Why should she retire? She's at the peak of her rip-off cycle... |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
65. Translation: Don't Do Anything Until I can Funnel the Contracts To My Husband's COnstruction Compan |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
131. I used to work for her husband's company |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
256. *snort* That's our DiFi! |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
68. Apparently her War, Inc. husband doesn't own any weapons facilities in Mojave. FU Dianne. n/t |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
70. Having lived in the Mojave Desert for 30 years, |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Sure, |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. The reason that |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
103. Unsightly? How could they call this unsightly? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #103 |
127. I don't consider it unsightly. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #127 |
149. There is something about wind mills... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #149 |
177. why within the preserve? |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #177 |
219. And where exactly did I say |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #149 |
222. I love seeing them in someone else's backyard too |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #70 |
176. how can you justify developing this: |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #176 |
258. Read again. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #176 |
281. Dunno, but that sign seems way to small to have much of an impact on our energy needs. |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
75. Isn't her husband profiting from the Iraq Invasion? |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
79. The answer is not in corporate solar! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
83. There are miles and miles of nothing in the Mojave desert so I don't think |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. the proposal is 750 square miles |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. This is a much better idea. Plus, Mr. DiFi is less likely to have "interests" ... |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
90. I want you to meet Tony Saprano..... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. Please DINOanne.....go away. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. She'd better not STFU. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. No, DU hasn't liked faux Democrat Feinstein for a long time...... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I'm no fan of hers, |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #93 |
119. okay, how about I say it instead of her? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
94. Can't have it both ways... I say "LET'S DO IT". |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. That's the stupidest thing I've read all day. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
118. James Watt once said how pretty the oil rigs look off the coast with their blinking lights |
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8 track mind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #118 |
165. boy there's a name i haven't heard in a while..... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
96. Oh, without electricity, none of us would be able to post here. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #96 |
117. WHY HERE, WHY THIS PLACE? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
100. NIMBY's are against this project |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. The desert tortoise |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Codeine...Do you get your check Direct from the CIA.. or do you answer to the Oil Companies? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. You're adorable. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. kill the desert tortoises |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
162. You're repeating yourself |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #162 |
178. i am repeating myself, you don't seem to understand the law |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #178 |
181. Don't put words in my mouth. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #181 |
190. your own words support developing the preserve |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #100 |
215. I actually want solar in my backyard... or my rooftop. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #100 |
271. We had a desert tortoise as a pet when I was a kid. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
109. Damn |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. i want alternative energy, you don't need to develop a national preserve to have alternative energy |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
150. It doesn't matter the plan, it is never good enough, every alternative energy plan |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
115. That's where the spas are supposed to go. n/t |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
121. time for someone to not seek reelection for a variety of reasons. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #121 |
129. It's a preserve, for fuck's sake! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #129 |
144. I'm generally OK with nuclear too. |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
164. You're Just Pissed At Feinstein For Her Stance On Firearms. (n/t) |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Well I did say for a variety of reasons, didn't I. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #121 |
135. NIMBY: |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
134. This thread is FUN! |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
146. Too many unanswered questions |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #146 |
179. you think Cranston worked on this legislation in 1986 to stop solar power? |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #179 |
217. Oh, go ahead. Just bitch for the fuck of it. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
147. She's goofy ~ |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #147 |
152. I agree she is goofy. But she has plenty of company |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #152 |
157. I think it's past time to start seeing some alternatives as, if not 'beautiful' then handsome... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #157 |
163. I was talking to a guy yesterday from a group that |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. Absolutely! Our system out here is run by PG&E and they suck but the system is far reaching |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #169 |
226. Hi bridgit... |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #226 |
269. Hey _SKP! |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #269 |
277. I like SMUD, too... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #163 |
180. EPA and Army COE are upholding the law |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #180 |
189. +1 |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #180 |
284. I work on the cultural resource parts of similar projects |
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Saboburns (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
151. Maybe you can tell me where I'm wrong, but... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. I guarantee no matter were you would try to put |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
166. Hey Fixed Noise Supporters, the is a lot of desert out there!!! |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
170. If Feinstein was George W. Bush I'd still agree. No development here. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #170 |
282. True that--lots of used up strip mines in AZ as well. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
175. She piggybacked her career on the Milk/Moscone murders |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
182. oh good grief! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #182 |
184. The Grand Canyon is desert too, why not put solar panels all around it? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #184 |
187. i'm referring to |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #187 |
191. we are talking about the Mojave Preserve |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #187 |
192. Is this "salt flats?" |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #192 |
211. and my question to you is.... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 04:17 AM Response to Reply #211 |
218. In part of the desert |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
183. Reminds me of dispute about wind farm (I think) |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #183 |
185. there are places where it's appropriate and places where it is not |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #185 |
194. Did you think I was 'knocking' it? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #194 |
196. if you didn't mean that i'm sorry |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #196 |
201. Apology accepted! |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #185 |
197. that Cape Cod crap pissed me off. It was the one time Walter Cronkite acted like a spoiled celeb |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #197 |
198. what needs to be considered if you want to put a wind farm on Cape Cod? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
195. just put the stuff alone the highway to Vegas. that land isn't being used for anything now |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #195 |
203. and parking airplanes |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #195 |
225. actually, that's not a bad idea |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. they did that in Germany years ago on the Autobahn. They put up vertical axis turbines |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #225 |
254. Yes! |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
204. rec4, someone else help put this on the front page, thanks |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
205. What about solar panels on the old nuclear testing grounds? |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Well according to some people the EPA & Army CE's are charged by law... |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #205 |
278. Need to be near centers of population or transmission lines. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
210. (sorry, Fox is the only source at this time.) OMG, people, look at the source. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
216. I would bet that most of the people screaming to 'preserve' the desert, have never been there. It's |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #216 |
221. You got it, on top of which: you don't save the environment with the EPA & ACE's you want... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #216 |
275. I've been there. Many times. Sounds like you haven't. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
220. Why don't they put solar panels on the roofs of every fucking strip mall instead? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #220 |
223. Better - in place of every strip mall nt |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
229. Senator Feinstein is correct and this thread is an embarrassment of environmental ignorance. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
230. That's a typical Californian position to take - wanting it all but to give up nothing |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #230 |
249. Not just Californians |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #249 |
270. Nope, not just Californians... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #230 |
272. Typical of a California basher to not know WTF they're talking about. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #272 |
276. I guess I should have said rich coastal Californian attitude, of which Feinstein qualifies |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
248. So amusing... |
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dusmcj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
250. the circular firing squad lives !!! I feel so, uhh, progressive, that's it. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #250 |
265. I can't even tell who you're mad at, |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
251. This San Franciscan can't stand Di Fi -- |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
253. I agree |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
259. DiFi is another one of the Dems that gives Pres. Obama... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
260. As opposed to the windmills that string along I-10 from El-Paso to Arizona? |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
273. Nobody wants these sort of things in their own "backyards" |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
274. Here's to a windmill up your a.s Fienstein you idiot! |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
279. Salt flats |
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Titanothere (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #279 |
286. Maybe Utah doesn't want solar panels on their flats? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #286 |
287. I seriously doubt that. Big oil might not want solar panels on the salt flats |
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