huckabee likens abortion to slavery - fuck huckabee

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1102450.html

JEFFERSON CITY | Former Arkansas governor and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee likened abortion to slavery in a Monday speech during a fundraiser for an anti-abortion group.

Huckabee said that when it abolished slavery, the U.S. debated and decided it was immoral for one person to have complete, life-or-death power over another. He said that should not change whether the control involves racial bigotry or a pregnant woman making a decision for her unborn child.

"What are we saying to the generation coming after us when we tell them that it is perfectly OK for one person to own another human being?" Huckabee said. "I thought we dealt with that 150 years ago when the issue of slavery was finally settled in this country, and we decided that it no longer was a political issue, it wasn't an issue of geography, it was an issue of morality. That it was either right or it was immoral that one person could own another human being and have full control even to the point of life and death over that other human being."

He said civilization cannot survive if "one group of people have life and death control over another for no particular reason other than their own conveniences and, in that case, prejudices."

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That last line really slays me, has fuckabee ever read American history?

This foolishness is common for anti-women types like Huckabee

as a joke on Family Guy.

and the NAACP has stated that Roe v Wade is right up there with Brown v Board of Education as a civil rights landmark, so Huckabee isn't going to have many "amens" from that corner...

allowed to stay?

Do you honestly not support the use of birth control? Do you not believe that if someone does not want children that they should use birth control?

Do you not believe in family planning? Maybe you should tell that to Planned Parenthood, an organization to which donate quite frequently. Or perhaps you think that no one should take any steps to prevent a pregnancy, only have an abortion after the fact if they do not wish to have the baby.

Seriously people, pro-choice is one thing, but being pro-choice and anti-birth control is idiotic at best.

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failure rates? And difficulty procuring birth control (especially the sort entirely in the woman's control)? How about rape? "Oh wait, stop, before you rape me, I insist you wear this condom"

Birth control fails. Abortion isn't birth control. But it is a sometimes unfortunate necessity. And the only person who gets a say is the woman whose body is involved.

Just imagine how many millions of kids have heard lectures about how condoms have a 30% failure rate at the a virginity pledge will protect you from pregnancy and disease. I'm sure many see right through it but there's always a certain percentage of the population who are credulous about anything they hear from an "authority figure".

condoms don't work, so let's just not use them and see what happens

It's unbelievable. It's like having "experts" telling people to stop using seatbelts because they have a failure rate.

when it should be one of the most enlightened eras ever.

....accidents happen and, then, there IS the issue of rape.

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100% free for all people, is 100% safe for all people, doesn't render you sterile for life, and doesn't require people to not have sex at ALL.

Since you seem sure that birth control is a perfect solution, I'm sure you have something in mind.

but, if someone never wants to have children, then tubal ligation or a vasectomy are excellent options. Both of which are reversible.

I know quite a few guys who have had a vasectomy. Three of which who had it reversed and have had children since.

As far as 100% free for all people, no contraceptive is 100% free for all people.

edit: however, no one should be forced to have a vasectomy or tubal ligation against thier will.

Yes, it can be done but you have to find a doctor willing to do it and your insurance might not cover it since it's "elective". That's why there is contraception, which admittedly has a human error rate but is very effective if used properly. The human error rate can be addressed with education, so there's really no need to adopt such a hostile and punishing attitude.

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That was my first thought when I read the subject line and was trying to figure how the hell he could tie the two together.

edit: typos

You beat me to it. Thanks.

He's such a dipshit.

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A woman still owns her uterus, doesn't she? She might want to evict that person.

If you want to think of a mass of undeveloped cells as people, this might be where it leads.

I'm sorry that belief in contraception as a means to prevent pregnancy does not pass your liberal litmus test.

but they have pointed out that it's not always that simple.

I am dine with someone having an abortion. What I am not fine with is the use of abortion as a means of contraception. I have known 8 women who have used abortion as thier sole means of contraception. The 8 of them have had between 3 and 10 abortions. Each. That is not okay. There is absolutely nothing alright about that. Just thinking about them now, many years later, still pisses me off.

If someone does not want to have a child they should take precautionary steps rather than fall back on abortion after the fact, imo.

Solely using abortion as contraception is a pretty pricey means of not having a baby. Contraception is much cheaper and less invasive. Maybe these women need some education.

"I am dine with someone having an abortion." I guess that was supposed to read "done". So just because you've don't like what these 8 women did, no one else should ever have the right to choose abortion? Screw that.

so i can see where you thought that.

and of course i am going to base an opinion on my experiences.

edit: what would you have me base my opinions on?

the earth is round.

BTW, here is an article on the increase in abortion and vasectomies since the economy started melting down. Alot of people have made some hard choices.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-t_wNEiEVnwdPcCTr9_eN93qOdwD974IQIG1

as a contraceptive. Like Ilsa said, that's an awfully expensive form of contraception.

Because that's essentially what you're arguing.

You know what pisses me off more than a woman dispensing with a clump of cells because she wasn't responsible enough to use contraception? People bringing children into the the world that they are not prepared to care for properly. Now THAT'S something to be angry about.

schedule, then it will create a situation of fertility at certain times of the month.

I'm sure you've heard about other forms of birth control failing and why it happens. Contraception has enabled many families to plan their reproduction carefully, but it isn't perfect.

Puritanical on the one hand and sex-saturated on the other. This creates some really conflicted mindsets in people toward contraception. There is definitely still the "getting birth control is planning to have sex and that makes you a slut" thing going on, along with its companion theme of "you have to be in luuuuurve with the guy and be 'swept away' in the moment otherwise you're a slut who planned it."

church said that a woman has to be in love with her partner to have an orgasm. I could see that as she said it, it wasn't with conviction. She had to say it to keep her job. I guess this was supposed to help women rationalize not going through with having sex with a man; if they weren't in love with him, they wouldn't be able to climax!

Oh wait, conservatives don't condone that. :banghead:

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They twist themselves into such knots and stretch so far to get from one place to another in thinking it's dizzying trying to follow along.

And I agree with those that say forced pregnancy is more akin to slavery. No one is forcing any woman to have an abortion. That's why it's called choice.

If Huckabee is one thing, it is consistent. We may not agree with him, but he has consistently held to his beliefs.

If he wants to be anti-abortion, that's fine, but don't try to compare aborting a child with slavery. It's a real stretch.

when the government does it!

Inspired by Huckabee no doubt.

Mike Huckabee wants the government TO STEAL YOUR CHILDREN! Morally speaking until reaching the age of adulthood parents have traditionally held some "ownership" and moral responsibility to their own children. This has only been the case since what the dawn of man. You have to be proven to be horrifically incompetent to lose this privilege in the USA. If Mike doesn't want the parents to decide which doctor for their kid to see, which school to attend, which grandparent to visit, which toys to play with, which playmates to spent time with... who does he want to make these choices? The government? The Church? Sounds like Mikes one of those dangerous socialist to me.

Has he had a rhetoric or logic class in his life? What a dullard.

have complete, life-or-death power over another person - the woman.

In fact, I think women would have more right to claim involuntary servitude to a fetus than the other way around. The woman's body is "serving" the fetus, not the fetus serving the woman.

I wish right-wingers would carry logic further than their own nose.

and then go fuck yourself.

In reference to this quote "one group of people have life and death control over another for no particular reason other than their own conveniences and, in that case, prejudices."

very nicely played, l&p!

not to defend the man, but when did he claim that hetrosexuals have the right to kill homosexuals? Sure he may want to create laws against homosexuality, but "have life and death control"? That's going a bit far.

...what a total asshole, IMO.

much like enslaved Africans did to get to freedom, on a little thing we like to call the Underground Railroad.

In your face, Schmuckabee!

In the end they are social issues that peaceful societies debate and weigh and decide how they are going to deal with them.

Fuckabee .... OUCH ...I am sure the bee will sting your penis.

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i totally did not see your post before i posted mine


great minds, and all...

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fuck huck?
just spitballing here...
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Other than that who gives a shit what this irrelevant little twit thinks?

bully, an animal torturing pervert:

A Son’s Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee
By Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey | NEWSWEEK
Updated: 2:51 p.m. ET Dec 15, 2007
From the magazine issue dated Dec 24, 2007

http://ndn3.newsweek.com.nyud.net:8090/media/4/071214_PS11HuckabeeJr_vm-vertical.jpg

~snip~
The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment. (In April of this year, he was arrested—and paid a fine—when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.) His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

as he spouts such an argument. Of course he wants fundamentalist, right wing control over women and their bodies, slavery if you will, no? I am sure it makes perfect sense to the audience he was addressing.

Then again, one should obviously never use "logical" and "Huckabee" in the same sentence... my bad.

progresses.

Not that I would want it to be illegal or less accessible than it is now, but the closer it is to viability, the more it becomes a moral if not legal issue.

I think it should be legal for the same reason smoking, gambling, alcohol, and country music should--not because it is a positive good but because outlawing it would do even more harm.