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fumsm Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:53 AM
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Term Limits+Media accountability=Country repaired
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 11:54 AM by fumsm
This country needs term limits in the worst way. These stupid fucks that have run our country into the ground, spending all their time grandstanding and cavorting with the corporations for campaign funds have done nothing positive. Michelle Bachman, every southern congressjerk, and yes, a lot of Dem's too.

They spend all their time fighting for power and position, and do nothing for the country. They don't need to. Once they are elected, and beholden to their contributors, it is almost impossible to get them out.

I am in sales, and in a lot of different industries, including automotive. Every fucking one of them is hurting. The best are at 50% capacity. They don't need fucking loans, they need business. This giving the banks more and more, with nothing in return but week long grandstanding by one party or the other over the details is fucked.

The media is most to blame, allowing these bastards to spew their shit on an hourly basis, usually with no retort. The new media mantra is to parade fuckwad repukes one after the other, enabling a bashing party of the president. How UN-AMERICAN is that? I particularly like when when of the shills gets enough balls to ask, then what is your plan, and they change the subject immediately.

FUCK THE MEDIA, AND FUCK CONGRESS. TERM LIMITS....................
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:59 AM
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1. I don't know that term limits are a good idea. I may like my rep and want them to stay.
It is a generalization that all reps need to be replaced. I like Kennedy and he would have been gone a long time ago with term limits.

Rarely is there a one size fits all rule that is any good.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:01 PM
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2. I'd almost believe we'd be better served if our representatives
were chosen by lottery rather than having professional politicians running everything

Imagine if they didn't have to worry about the religious right or the NRA or big oil threatening their reelection possibilities.....
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:02 PM
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3. FUCK THE MEDIA -- Yup, AND FUCK CONGRESS -- Yup. TERM LIMITS -- No
Before his plane crashed, Wellstone was running for a third term after originally saying that he'd only server two.

We needed him.

Elections are supposed to be term limits.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:03 PM
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4. Florida has term limits, and look at how well-run that state is
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:05 PM
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5. I don't agree at all.
Shuffling the deck chairs every few years just leads to a situation where no one knows what the fuck is going on. Having the knowledge of prior reauthorizations, for instance, means that committee chairs know exactly what to look for when they're re-writing the bills. They know what lessons need to be learned, they know what the intentions were with the old bill, and they can make the changes that need to be made.

You know what term limits would lead to? More power in the hands of lobbyists, because they'd be the only guys in town that would know enough about a bill to make meaningful changes.

Further, the VAST majority of Congressmen actually do a lot for the people. Congress moves slow by design - a good design, I might add. We don't need or want laws vastly changed every few years. We don't need or want rule by angry mob.

If you want to fight a problem - go after campaign finance reform. Level the playing field and they'll certainly be more beholden to the people and not just campaign contributors.
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fumsm Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:17 PM
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7. Sorry, I don't agree with any of you
Term limits would work. Imagine if the presidents position didn't have term limits, huh, whatdya think, 16 more years of bush?

There are over 300 million people in this country. We do not need to be beholden to 5 or 600 of them.

Besides, you wouldn't get these pricks who never do anything in their lives but run for office. You might even get some people with experience running things, like businesses? In addition, the rich are the ones who mostly run anyhow. Do you really think they are out for your well being? C'mon.

As with any group, there would be some good ones, but in our current situation, they are way outnumbered.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:21 PM
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11. Yeah, I really don't think Bush would've beaten Obama, but thanks for playing.
Furthermore, if you don't see a huge difference between the powers of the Presidency and the powers of being one of 535 congressmen, I can't help you.

And for the record, the people running for Congress now are typically the guys who have experience running businesses. That's how you get wealthy enough to actually afford running for office in the first place. I don't think we'd be better off even one iota with term limits.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:04 PM
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15. there is a danger that term limits would provide powerful Corp Interest more opptunities to
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 01:18 PM by Supersedeas
fill the progressive seats of some of our most experienced candidates who have proven their integrity


Not that our election system is subject to manipulation by powerful Corp interests..../sarcasm
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:05 PM
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16. Absolutely.
Name ID is one of the most powerful tools we have keeping Dems in office. Remove that and the seat will go to the highest bidder more often than not.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:13 PM
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6. We already have term limits. They are called elections.
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fumsm Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:18 PM
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8. Controlled by the ones with the most money, incumbents!
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 12:19 PM by fumsm
Beholden to some company or organization.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:33 PM
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17. It will just mean that those same companies and organizations
will attach themselves to the new candidates when there are no incumbents.

Rather than fight it this way the best way is to make your views known to those politicians on a regular basis instead of just at the polls.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:21 PM
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10. Mike Moore says the Congressional return rate is higher than
the old Politburo. I think he said that in 2006.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:20 PM
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9. We need real campaign finance reform, not term limits, imho.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:22 PM
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12. +1 - Right there with ya on that.
If we're serious about getting money out of politics, that's the only way to do it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:35 PM
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18. Campaign finance reform to include all donors being identified.
Too many avoid their contributions being disclosed because they contribute to a group that avoid naming the politician(s) they oppose or support.
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Buck Laser Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:22 PM
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13. I think term limits are a scam, like voter ID bills.
That doesn't mean I'm satisfied that some terrible people stay in office. But as someone else said, elections are the best way to turn out the bad people. Be careful what you wish for.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:39 PM
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19. Even if some may be beholden to special interests those
special interests may be in the best interest of the country. And there are many politicians that do a very good job. If term limits were imposed we would lose those elected officials.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:34 PM
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14. There's only one way to fix the country
END CORPORATE PERSONHOOD NOW!
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