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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:39 PM
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When people try to scare others about National Health, "rationing" is always cited
Our healthcare is ALREADY rationed in our current system.What do they think "lifetime caps" are and exclusions are?

When you actually get ill and need your coverage, you will spend all your time arguing and debating with your insurance company about what is covered and what is not. They may tell you something is covered and later you will find it is not. One doctor may be a participant in your plan and another may not be. So why do the naysayers always say you will lose choices and control? You don't have choices and control anyway.

To recap our current system:

rationed, limited control and choices, insanely expensive, major cause of personal financial ruin in our country

Our current system is a FOR PROFIT system where the ironically labeled "healthcare providers" make more money for not providing healthcare than they do for providing it. (Here is my obligatory reminder that the former CEO of United Health was paid over 1 BILLION dollars in stock options)

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:42 PM
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1. When you don't have ANY health insurance or healthcare, rationing sounds better somehow . . .
Something is better than nothing.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:43 PM
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2. They seem to forget that they'll always have the option to purchase their own private insurance
afterwards. I'm sure there'll still be plenty of people willing to shell out the extra cash to have their own private doctor.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:06 PM
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5. Right now, you can't always find insurance if you have pre-existing conditions.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:03 PM
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3. K&R !!
Yes indeed, our system is ALREADY RATIONED -- you have to pay to play.

Yes, if the uninsured are shot or in accidents they can be taken to emergency to line up for care.

But those who can't afford rent and health insurance at the same time are just hoping they don't get any serious illnesses before they can get jobs that offer insurance again.

Healthcare for profit has been a big failure for the general public, but a big plus for the drug companies and CEOs of the HMOs.

And a boon for the thousands of companies flashing ads on our broadcast media urging all of us to eat more junk food. Hey, it's all about freedom, baby! And high profits for companies furnishing diabetes treatment drugs and products.

Alcohol ads have been sneaking back onto our screens. So why not cigarette ads too? Because hey, if those thousands of ads to "snack, snack, snack" have an insignificant influence on our obesity rates, then surely cigarette ads would be just fine too.

Maybe if we all as taxpayers had to finance the healthcare system, we'd be better about curbing the avalanche of TV ads urging us to eat foods that accelerate diabetes rates. Or we might at least push snack companies to put some fiber back into our fast foods-- or leave it in there.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:03 PM
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4. Health care is rationed right now. Upper Income can naturally afford
higher premiums, therefore, only the best doctors and and quality
hospitals and care.

Medium Price Premiums, less than the 1st Class but more than
lower priced Premiums.

This works downward to Medicaid.

At least people who can afford it or are on Medicare get some
Health Care.

Then we have 47,000 uninsured and people being laid off their jobs
daily losing health care.

I am not doing class warfare here. Just pointing out reality.

Many policies do not cover serious treatments. Another form of
rationing.

Americans may prefer business ration them???????
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:16 PM
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6. Some people just object to idea of the government doing the rationing.
If the government was running health care and raising costs 10 percent or more every year while denying claims whenever possible, these people would be UP IN ARMS! And if the head of Medicare was being paid $50 million a year, people would be outraged, and rightly so. But if it's private companies doing the rationing and price-gouging, well, that's OK.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:20 PM
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7. ...and yet they absolutely worship everything the corporations do
PR works wonders.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:49 AM
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8. Here is Dr. Deans petition to include a single payer option in healthcare reform
http://www.standwithdrdean.com/

You can sign, and/or donate, and/or volunteer.

Or, a trifecta and do all three!
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:55 AM
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9. A question occurred to me yesterday...
If National Health is so heavily scorned in Great Britain and Canada, why is it that when the Conservatives get control, they keep the National Health system in place?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:57 AM
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10. I'd rather have the government "rationing" care than the insurance companies.
Big insurance does it for profit and they do it all the time. Hit your lifetime cap and you're kicked to the curb and no one else will insure you.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 08:34 AM
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11. K&R. nt
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