You know, of course, that there are just about 50 MILLION people with no health care, right?

Stinky The Clown

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Sat Mar-28-09 10:37 AM
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You know, of course, that there are just about 50 MILLION people with no health care, right?

And we keep quibbling around the edges of the problem .................

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Captain Hilts

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Sat Mar-28-09 10:39 AM
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1. Permitting the ins. companies to choose whom they deign to insure is a problem. nt

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Deja Q

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Sat Mar-28-09 10:40 AM
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2. And billions more, worldwide.

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RDANGELO

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Sat Mar-28-09 11:01 AM
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3. We have to lower the costs.

Edited on Sat Mar-28-09 11:03 AM by RDANGELO

If we simply expand what we have now, letting the businesses dictate everything, the costs will hurt the economic stability of the country. We have to bring the costs down. I admit, form a moral stand point, that's no excuse.

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walkaway

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Sat Mar-28-09 11:32 AM
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4. Actually 80,000,000 people here in the US are without health insurance...

at any given time. Thirty five million have insurance some portion of the year but on any given day eighty mil is the count.

The amazing thing is that eighty million Germans (eighty eight% of the population) are insured under national health care. The rest are under private insurance.

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stray cat

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Sat Mar-28-09 11:44 AM
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5. I think I pay for many of them with my insurance or tax dollars

Edited on Sat Mar-28-09 11:45 AM by stray cat

We need to make sure we don't make a bigger mess trying to fix it - so it pays to take the time to do it right. Those of us who are lucky enough to have employers pay some of it are not in a hurry to lose that in favor of something worse and poorly considered. I know my employer pays about 20% above my salary for health care and disability. We need to get people covered for them and for the economy but I don't want it done stupidly.

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Stinky The Clown

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Sat Mar-28-09 12:26 PM
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8. You make the base assumption that anything different will be worse

Why do you say that?

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walkaway

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Sat Mar-28-09 02:16 PM
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17. It is sometimes difficult to see how urgent other people's problems are

when we have the thing they so desperately need.

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kestrel91316

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Sat Mar-28-09 11:44 AM
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6. We haven't reached critical mass yet. I figure it will take 75-100 million.

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sutz12

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Sat Mar-28-09 12:50 PM
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10. Or a major pandemic...

That's my fear. Something is going to break out, and with so many people not having access to front line care, many, many people will get worse and infect others before they finally drag themselves to overcrowded emergency rooms.

By then it will be too late. Thousands, perhaps millions, will die right here in the Good 'Ole U S of A because we have a third world health care delivery system.

Think The Stand.

:shrug:

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earthboundmisfit

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Sat Mar-28-09 12:24 PM
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7. And who knows how many who do have insurance

but have their claims denied.

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emilyg

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Sat Mar-28-09 12:45 PM
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9. I wish I knew how many of those

people have 2 cars and flat screen TV's.

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OwnedByFerrets

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Sat Mar-28-09 12:57 PM
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11. I understand your point, but there is an argument that

health insurance should be and IS a right promised in the Constitution.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
How can one argue that promoting the general welfare of the citizens doesn't mean that their health be provided for, regardless of wealth or stature.

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sutz12

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Sat Mar-28-09 01:00 PM
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12. Apparently, it is a pretty easy argument to make...

"How can one argue that promoting the general welfare of the citizens doesn't mean that their health be provided for, regardless of wealth or stature."

Just like Cain said: "Am I my brother's keeper?" I know a lot of liberal socialistic types that would answer that question with a qualified "Yes." Most Libertarian/Conservatives would argue that the individual right to property outweighs the public right to life and health care.

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Sgent

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Sat Mar-28-09 01:20 PM
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13. I do

Of course I don't have insurance because no one will write me a policy -- not because I can't afford it.

I am "uninsurable", at any price.

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My Good Babushka

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Sat Mar-28-09 01:54 PM
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15. You deserve health care whether you have two cars

or no cars. You can sell both cars and your TV, and still not afford to treat something like cancer. It's ridiculous to say that someone shouldn't get healthcare because they have one more car, or some other bric-a-brac, that you don't have.

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Missy Vixen

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Sat Mar-28-09 02:03 PM
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16. What's your point?

We both have preexisting conditions, therefore, we can't get insurance at ANY price right now.

We've been on the group plans at my husband's employers since we got married.

Hopefully, he gets hired by someone else that we can get insurance with. If we can't, I'm not sure what we'll do. There's an income limit to the state of Washington's catastrophic plan; plus, due to deficit, they're cutting people off it.

The stuff in your house or in your driveway doesn't have the first damn thing to do with whether or not people have health insurance. It has everything to do with the insurance companies' policies.

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Stinky The Clown

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Sat Mar-28-09 02:21 PM
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18. Your post should stand in perpetuity

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dysfunctional press

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Sat Mar-28-09 01:28 PM
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14. that's why insurance companies like the idea of mandates....

cha-ching!!

with no medicare buy-in option...

CHA-CHING!!!!

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