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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:13 PM
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Urinating dog triggered argument resulting in 3 officers' deaths
(CNN) -- Three Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, police officers were shot to death while responding to a 911 call of a domestic argument triggered by a urinating dog, according to a criminal complaint filed in the case.

The officers were the first department fatalities since 1995, according to the department.

Police said following the shootings Saturday that Richard Poplawski, 22, would be charged with three counts of homicide, aggravated assault and other charges. Poplawski, who was shot in the leg during a four-hour standoff with police, was hospitalized at an undisclosed location, police said.

Details of the incident were included in the police complaint seeking an arrest warrant for Poplawski. The complaint says Margaret Poplawski called 911 about 7 a.m. Saturday to report that her son was "giving her a hard time."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/05/pittsburgh.officers.shot.dog/

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guy Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:15 PM
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1. wtf ?
Details of the incident were included in the police complaint seeking an arrest warrant for Poplawski. The complaint says Margaret Poplawski called 911 about 7 a.m. Saturday to report that her son was "giving her a hard time."

How messed up.



:shrug:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:23 PM
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4. Well, there was that idiot who called 911 because she needed a nanny
so she could leave her kids for the evening and go out to a party.

Too many people don't have a clue as to how to resolve life's little disturbances and hurdles. Too many people just think 'somebody has to do something' and never consider they ARE the somebody.

Police are stretched a bit thin. That's why I have a couple of guns. I know there is no help coming from police if I am threatened in my home. We have 2 law enforcement officers (and they have less than 2 years experience between them) to cover a county of over 4000 square miles. Most people have more law per area than here, but the law is also asked to do too much basic life stuff for too many people.

We need better life skills, resources, education if we are gonna make America less violent.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:34 PM
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7. Police are "stretched a bit thin" to a big extent because so damn many of them..
Are busy chasing dope smokers..

Our jails and prisons are overflowing for basically the same reason.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7698

Of those charged with marijuana violations, approximately 89 percent, 775,138 Americans were charged with possession only. The remaining 97,583 individuals were charged with "sale/manufacture," a category that includes all cultivation offenses, even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical use. Nearly three in four of those arrested are under age 30.

There you go, about 875,000 marijuana arrests in 2007..

Each arrest takes up hours of at least one officer's time and I'm sure there many hours spent looking for dope smokers for each arrest made.

But cops love arresting dopers, they are easy pickings, violent criminals are much more difficult to catch and to deal with.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:46 PM
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11. Figured drug laws were originally a 'gimme' to the mob after booze was legal again
THEN, corporate, for-profit prisons noticed that pot smokers were a pretty easy crowd to keep penned up with less expense than holding real criminal types...

And pot prison populations give the corporations peaceful, really cheap labor without the headaches of having middle managers learn some Third World language.

Yep, cops are tied up with too much busy work to be really effective in law enforcement.

Knew lots of cops (family had several). Knew enough of them to figure they had lots of good dope too ;)
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:34 PM
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8. Police are "stretched a bit thin" to a big extent because so damn many of them..
Are busy chasing dope smokers..

Our jails and prisons are overflowing for basically the same reason.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7698

Of those charged with marijuana violations, approximately 89 percent, 775,138 Americans were charged with possession only. The remaining 97,583 individuals were charged with "sale/manufacture," a category that includes all cultivation offenses, even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical use. Nearly three in four of those arrested are under age 30.

There you go, about 875,000 marijuana arrests in 2007..

Each arrest takes up hours of at least one officer's time and I'm sure there many hours spent looking for dope smokers for each arrest made.

But cops love arresting dopers, they are easy pickings, violent criminals are much more difficult to catch and to deal with.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:15 PM
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2. Wait; it was the fault of poor communication skills, failure of personal relationships,
inability to resolve basic domestic conflict, and a bad temper?

Nah, it had to be because of guns.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:22 PM
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3. No, guns just turned what would have been a loud temper tantrum into a mass murder.
Guns made it easy.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:24 PM
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5. Not buying it. There is a basic loss of civil discours WAY before any psycho takes up a gun and kill
Jim Jones did it with Kool Aide.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:33 PM
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6. Jim Jones also had 5 people shot to death. Or didn't you know that?
Violent behavior doesn't have to lead unmercifully to death. Guns just make it a whole lot easier.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:42 PM
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10. Did know that. And knew one of them too
But the Kool aide did a number on many, many more. But was it really the Kool aide, or some dangerous thought processes?

Bombs make it even easier than guns. But in the end, it is the dangerous thought processes at the root of it all.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:51 PM
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12. And if Ryan and his group had been allowed to live the massacre might not have happened.
But the Peoples' Temple had a "right" to defend itself.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:37 PM
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9. I disagree. I'm going to say hate radio did. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:57 PM
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13. "stockpiling guns and ammunition, buying and selling the weapons online...."
I wonder if he bought and sold using ebay or craig's list? :shrug:
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madville Donating Member (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:21 PM
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15. They don't allow guns on Ebay or CL
They remove listings for firearms and some firearms related items rather quickly. You can buy guns online from dealers or private individuals, it just has to be shipped to a federally licensed gun dealer. Ammo can be bought online from thousands of places with almost no federal restrictions but some states have strict laws.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:30 PM
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16. Seems there's an "Internet Loophole"...
...

The bill would close the so-called "gun show/Internet loophole." It would prohibit private sales of pistols or assault weapons unless the buyer or seller was a federally licensed dealer, or used a licensed dealer to transfer the weapon. That includes sales at garage and estate sales and over the Internet, which are currently exempt from background checks.

...

http://www.startribune.com/39844612.html
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:44 PM
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17. Unless someone was selling illegally on the internet
Which wouldn't surprise me given his Stormfront connections, firearms purchased on the internet have to be sent to an FFL who then has to do a background check same as any gun purchase.

His friend was on local radio today claiming Poplawski got his guns via FFL's and that he wasn't under any restriction to own guns. Also claimed Poplawski had a carry license. I'll be curious if this will be revealed as true as the news unfolds in the coming days and weeks.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:20 PM
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14. I wonder why "Mom" didn't inform the dispatcher about his guns?
It seems almost criminal to call the police for help while omitting that your son is a nut, he has numerous firearms & a bulletproof vest.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:46 PM
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18. From what this guy's friend claimed on the radio today
the mom had mental health problems. Radio host Marty Griffin who claims to have inside connections with police said she was calling the cops "pigs" as they took her son from the house.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:48 PM
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19. Acorns never fall too far from the tree....n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-05-09 05:49 PM by Junkdrawer
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:55 PM
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24. Wasn't the mother the one who called 911?
Did she call to have them come to her house so she could call them "pigs" to their faces?

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:50 PM
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20. So. It's gone from several friends saying he was afraid Obama was taking his guns to a pissing dog.
Right.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:53 PM
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22. Exactly. How does a bullet-proof vest protect someone from a urinating dog? n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:54 PM
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23. Well, we can't have a white American kid being portrayed as a gun nut, can we?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 06:02 PM
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25. Opps, how could I forget!
America's precious snowflakes can do no wrong!

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:51 PM
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21. Ban dogs, they lead to death obviously
It will make me feel safer, so it is a good idea.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 06:04 PM
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26. Looks like I was way off with my prediction ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5393391&mesg_id=5393391

Who'd have thought that the GOPers would react so rationally?

"T'was dog urine, your honor. It made me lose my mind (that and the extra twinkie I had for breakfast)."

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