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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:10 PM
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KO and Turley on the continuation of wiretapping
Too sad. Time to deliver on promises Obama.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:11 PM
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1. I'm pleased with how relentless Turley is
and how he continues to show up with Keith and Rachel.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:13 PM
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2. "It doesn't matter if you say you are a good person doing things. You're still doing bad things."
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 07:22 PM by Hissyspit
Turley on Obama. "I think our president is more interested in programs than principles."

"People need to not be afraid tell the president that he can't do this, because of some kind of cult of personality, because what he is doing is frittering away our core rights and values."

(paraphrased)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:15 PM
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7. Thanks - these are exactly the quotes that struck me. Wow!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:39 PM
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19. VIDEO Here:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:14 PM
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3. I'm a big Obama fan
This isn't right. He's "afraid" of the CIA? WTF?? Barack, get your mind right. You are going to cause an unbelieveable backlash.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:25 PM
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11. Yes. He needs the support of the Intelligence Community which is as we are
finding out more powerful than we know. We lack translators. We are behind. He unfortunately needs them and yes if he pisses them off who knows what will happen to him.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:38 PM
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31. you mean a little LIHOP just so Cheney and Newt sound right?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:53 PM
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30. remember under the * administration
when all that "loyalty oath" crap came out? Remember when they cleaned house at the CIA--dismissing veteran agents for their loyalty oath taking goose stepping boys? There may still be some agents who escaped the big sweep--but those running the show are * boys. Panetta better begin a hiring program and either re-hire some of those veteran agents that were let go or find new hires who believe in this country more than the neo-con agenda. Because froggie that scorpion will sting you at the first opportunity no matter how hard you try to appease it.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:14 PM
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4. This is the most important question of the day - so K&R for it
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:14 PM
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5. Very disturbing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:15 PM
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6. Not good at all. nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:16 PM
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8. Obama is going to lose a LOT of support if he continues down this path.
It's wrong. It was wrong when Bush/Cheney were doing it, and it's wrong for Obama to continue with the precedents they set.

Get your shit together, Obama. You cannot bring change by violating our civil rights.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:26 PM
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12. I think he needs to answer to us but do not give up on him. That is what the Repubs want.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 07:27 PM by glinda
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:21 PM
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9. 'The executive is hoping Congress will do something'.... what a laugh.
... and Leahy said he won't do anything if he doesn't have Republican support.


$#*3*$^&#!!!!!!!!


This is a serious error by the administration, imho. As Turley just said (paraphrasing), 'He is frittering away our rights that our ancestors fought hard for.'


It appears that it will be up to the international criminal court to try our criminals if we will ever see justice.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:21 PM
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10. I would like to see some blow-back...
on this issue. I don't know why there is not a national campaign to force this secrecy stuff into the light. It's now or never.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:28 PM
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13. turley is spot on.....bad is bad
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:32 PM
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14. has the blackmailing begun??
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:33 PM
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15. This is depressing
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:33 PM
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16. YES WE CAN...
Be tricked and lied to.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:35 PM
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17. Yes we can...
get involved in our government? If it is to be it is up to (?)
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:39 PM
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18. ???????????????
?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:53 PM
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22. my thoughts exactly...
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 07:53 PM by stillcool
the only 'hope' I've had in years was that 'change' would finally happen because of 'we' doing something other than what we've always done. But there is no 'we', and there is no 'hope' for that 'change', because 'no we won't' do a damn thing.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:44 PM
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20. Infuriating and so very disappointing.
:mad:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:52 PM
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21. To put it mildly, I am very disappointed. This is not right and furthermore
I find it dangerous.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:34 PM
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23. Obama's playing double-super-secret n-dimensional chess
and quadruple-reverse psychology. Don'tcha see?? *Force* these absurd arguments to be adjudicated against, thus setting precedent against the "TSP" right up to and including the Patriot Act!! He's *pretending* to give in to the neocons in the intelligence community(by , get this: ACTUALLY GIVING IN to the neocons! HA, they didn't expect that!), and by overreaching, he's gonna prove how ridiculous their positions are! IN OPEN COURT!!!!11!

As a bonus, the freeptards heads will now explode because it's a fucking *COMMUNIST* who is gonna wiretap them now, and since they've all "got nothing to hide" (except them focus-on-the-family guys, whoops), as they swore over and over during shrub's reign, they can't say a damn thing about it! HA!

Barack's got it allllllllllll figured out, so DU, don't get your panties all bunched up in your pretty little heads. or somthing.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:38 PM
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24. I hope you're right. This report was extremely disturbing.
Giving the freeptards a taste of their own medicine may cause them to buck off what Bush* has done, but Obama needs to be the one to do it and not let them take the credit for it.

Govt has to be responsible to the people, not the other way around. Someone needs to convince Obama of this. Where is Joe Biden?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:39 PM
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25. Where the hell is Joe Biden on this? He needs to see Obama through this
and make it right. The American people are entitled to better than this.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:46 PM
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26. But didn't Obama vote for retroactive immunity for the wiretapping companies?
That right there was a promise that he will continue the wireless wiretaps once in office.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:45 PM
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29. Yes he did.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 07:56 AM
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33. That was the point where many of us in the primaries started to rethink
our support. I believe most still voted for him, but this was a huge contention last June right on this website. He promised he would go back and revisit this once in office, and now he has. Instead of doing the right thing and discontinuing the wire-tapping he has now gone to court to ensure even broader powers for himself than Bush did. That is extremely serious and everyone on this site should be concerned about it.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:39 PM
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27. Turley made great points. I'm pissed, there is NO explanation or reason that justifies this. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:44 PM
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28. Sent my email to whitehouse.gov
:(
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:45 PM
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32. Continuing wiretapping is indefensable
Completely.
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