We won the culture war decades ago

yes, the religious right and their allies won some skirmishes, but they were doomed to fail. The history of this country, the underpinning of the Enlightenment, mass media, etc, doomed them to failure long ago. It's why, short of an successful armed revolution by the fundies and fascists, I never worried that culturally, they'd win.

They're doomed to loose on marriage equality. The generatons that have recently come of age and the ones to follow, don't even get why they should give a damn.

This country, religious as it is, is becoming less religious. We may not be OK with atheism but we're becoming more tolerant of religious diversity as a whole.

Sure there will be skirmishes ahead that we lose but and frustrations associated with the fight to extend equality to all people and not have some rights held hostage by religious nutcases, but they lost years ago. And I think increasing numbers on the right are waking up to that reality.

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thing. And as far as the culture wars, which is a pretty narrow confine, those who believe in expanding rights for women and minorities such as the GLBT community, are winning. I realize that means nothing to people who don't give a shit about women's rights and GLBT rights and other minority groups.

"culture warriors". :hi:

"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes into you." — Friedrich Nietzsche

some of us are actually smart enought to know that we can be against both rampant unfettered capitalism and pro-rights for women, GLBT folks, etc. Some of the little totatlitarian types really don't give a shit about anything but killing all the bankers. The stupid fcuks actually believe that will solve things.

from economic injustice. Are abortion and gay marriage really the issues that should divide Americans from one another? They should be if you don't want any scrutiny of the horrible economic injustice in this country!

"corporatist culture warriors? doubt there are many of those."

You haven't been paying very close attention.

it's just a wee bit more complex than your super simplistic and dogmatic view. duh.

Aren't you the one who pitted glbt and women's rights against economic justice in your first reply to this thread?

Keep up it, Ms. Culture Warrior! You're doing a great job in dividing people! :rofl:

"I realize that means nothing to people who don't give a shit about women's rights and GLBT rights and other minority groups."

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who knew?

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OH

ya mean BEFORE the White man invaded . . .

now I get it.

we've been on the short end of that battle for over a hundred years.

yo..

I've seen tremendous progress and changes in my lifetime. When I was born, blacks had to drink at certain fountains, women were still considered "property" and minorities were characterized in the most racial fashions. In many states, including northern ones, blacks couldn't marry whites and gays were invisible. This was, of course, the GOOPer Nirvana of the 50's...where Harriet always made sure Ozzie's pipe and slippers were waiting for him, kids played that loud music and everyone was promised an American dream of consumption.

Social and technological progress have moved all of us forward. Mass communications brings all sorts of views and ideas into homes like never before. For all its corrosive attributes, the teevee has also been a window that opened a world of different cultures and philosophies to the most remote sections of this country...and now the world. While my parents generation lived in insulated neighborhoods, my generation was one that lived in a video one...one that took us around the word and to the moon. My children are on an even higher plane as they now can interact with that world...our world has gotten smaller and with it, our understandings of others have increased.

Faith is something that will always be a part of human nature. Some will always seek the community and certainty that being part of a religion can bring. In the past, religions flourised where information and education was the lowest...where minds could be molded early and controlled. Where religion could provide the answers that people couldn't find elsewhere. That is changing and with it is the role and needs for faith. Those religions that adjust will survive and thrive, those that don't will stagnate.

CHeers...

were waking up to what was a changed culture back then, and that's what's fueled their "family values" arguments for years. I think they convinced themselves through the 60s and 70s that it was just those goddless city types who were acting up. When they realized the culture itself was becoming more tolerant, they lost it. Their screams of righteous intolerance are driven by underlying fear.

As to capitalism spinning out of control, I think that's a different issue. Unrestrained capitalism would, it seems to me, have nowhere to go but into devouring itself, like an ouroboros.