Them HIPPIES were Right....PEACE is the ONLY OPTION....what are we doing

making a few rich while destroying the rest of the Planet....

war sucks up enormous amounts of energy...

Think what the resources could mean if redirected to Advancing Mankind

It's what they were saying about offensive military aggression, in general, and Vietnam, in particular.

give peace a chance.

....many of those "long haired" types who stood beside us then, grew up to destroy this country !

tune in to others' needs, fill the empty bellies, eliminate child abuse and poverty. just imagine a world with no religion.

but America-at-large seems to dumbed down to care.

Just saying

Name one.

Minus the rich part, my parents for one.

Remember, some hippies became "born-agains", who became evangelicals.

So, you know, how do you know if anyone is a hippy, eh? The same is tactic is often used by Christians, who doubt the authenticity of anyone's former faith if they claim to no longer believe.

But, what can I say. If they weren't, they looked the part. They *lived* the part. After growing up in Southern California (San Fran/LA) and living the 60's lifestyle (commune living, drugs, music, protests, hiding draft dodgers, being arrested, and even fashion) they eventually relocated in the near-wilderness in Oregon, where they had children and raised them on an organic farm in the hills. For decades, they grew their own food (and pot), sewed their own clothes, and became pretty much self-sufficient and low impact upon the world. They never had a 401K and pretty much rejected all wealth for most of their lives, not because they aren't skilled (they are amazingly talented), but because it never appeared desirable to them or important (until later).

They aren't awful. They had a stint with a non-denominational Christian church, started by guitar playing hippies (that grew into a huge regional evangelical/political power), which many other people like them were getting into. Now they see the pain it all started and they reformed, yet again.

A real hippie is still a peacenik environmentalist and hasn't given up working for it.

And just looked large due to the fashionistas that followed it? Interesting take.

It was about long hair and fringed pants.

You imply its meaning is "peacenik environmentalist".

Does not the concept of counter-culture have any place in the definition? Or that of communal living? And those "hippies" that may of thrown a rock at a cop during a protest, well, those were just fashionistas (since they were not non-violent)?

Your definition is small. As if its been manufactured to serve some purpose

The counterculture was all about making a big bluster show, whether it was throwing rocks at "pigs," smoking pot and dropping acid, or dressing up to drive your parents crazy. All of this rebelling was more beat.

Hippies did a lot of those things and certainly took a page from beat, and I think the real hippies had vision, integrity as much as possible, and a sense of worldwide family. Some of the true lefties held anarchal views and really didn't trust government, but it wasn't about guns and robbing banks. Many hippies and people who looked like hippies tried communal living. They tried Eastern and earth religions.

But if the proof is in the pudding, for most, it was about dressing up and moving on to the next big thing.

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I see your post above where you talk about your parents. It sounds like they had integrity, so you likely were raised by hippies and not by people who wanted to look like them.

like you are just trying to disavow people in the movement who you had disdain for, so that you do not have to have disdain for the movement in general.

It just seems silly to me, being so exclusionary to something that was rather large and popular.

A fad for most. A passing fad. Makes me sad. It was such a time of opportunity--a window of illumination for the most powerful nation on Earth. My generation could have done so much more.

But here we are. And that movement did start some changes AND it produced some seedlings that I hope grow up to produce even more positive change. Then, 12 miles per gallon was pretty good mileage. Who knew we would be fighting over oil now? We have come a ways. I just wish it didn't take so long,

Some took it to heart and some just moved on to disco.

But just because someone was a follower, does that not make them a member?

12 MPG wasn't all that good then! My brother and I both restored 1965 autos (Which were popular then) that got 19-25 MPG. :) Just saying, ya know.

The values and lessons of the progressive era got lost along the way. We'll never sort out how many hippies-became-yuppies-if-they-were-hipppies-in-the-first-place or how many just took a nice long nap and how many have managed to integrate their values into their lives and sustain that for decades....

All of us have a lot of splainin to do if we are hypocritical or deluded like a lot of well meaning youth who think "when the revolution comes, THAT'S when we'll do something, out in the streets man, with our GUNS" -- nevermind the hitech gizmos The Man has innvented to drop you where you stand into an ear piercing pile of goo "nonviolentlly."

The most we can do is choose how to live our lives in a way that makes a difference AS IF IT DOES because it does. That's the biggest hypocrisy of all: anyone who went along with the mercenary policies and hollow speculation during the Reign of Reaganism and still thinks their "hippie/progressive" values have any street cred.

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Theres a base up there. And its not ours. They wont go back cause they are scared!

how is it possible I'm the first rec for such common sense?

Nothing more, nothing less.

Creative expression is NEVER a bad thing (unless it incites violence and hate, but nobody's perfect), but just getting high and boinking... I'm not surprised how Nixon won in 1968. :(

they aren't true.
There was far more to 'the hippies' than "getting high and having sex."
much, much more.
I don't know what you base your opinion on, but my experiences say different.

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Nothing more, nothing less.

Charles Manson pretended to be a hippie to lure people to their grizzly deaths.

What's left to say?

You know, some say the Hippies gave us this and that...

Some European nations accomplished far more for the rights of women and workers, as well as remained more peaceful, without a large domestic counter-culture hippy movement. Perhaps the united left in other places were more ideology driven and effective? In light of this...did the hippies harm the left's overall movement in America? By alienating people and hijacking a political agenda, which they merged with sex/drugs/rock n roll, they may of set America far behind its European counterparts (and Canada). I mean...America is here now, and, well, "they" are there. What gives?

The word is "grisly" which means gory, or bloody.

"Grizzly" refers to bears.

Thank you.

back then, I was called a hippy, a weirdo, a freak, and a radical. Yes, I was young, but I worked on a lot of change. I was part of the chicago womens liberation union and wrote and printed leaflets asking for equal pay and civil rights for women. I marched and was tear gassed against the war in Vietnam. The FBI showed up at my friends house because we were considered radicals (anti war)..the Red Squad took our pictures..I worked on a rape crisis line for a year when there WAS NO SUCH THING..we created our own..
back then, if a woman was beaten or raped by her husband or boyfriend, no one gave a shit. none of you young people remember what it was like BEFORE, when there were NO rape laws, or Violence against women laws, or the woman was put on trial for being too suggestive ...
none of you remember when it WAS NOT A CRIME for an employer to feel up his female employees..none of you remember when , if you filled out an application for work, you had to say whether you were homosexual or not and if you were you wouldnt get hired
I worked for the metropolitan housing association helping poor people fight for tenants rights
so dont tell me all I did was smoke pot.
I was a leftist then, and I am now. You can lump all of us boomers into whatever little category you want, but if it wasnt for a lot of us who stuck our necks out, you would not have a lot of the laws that are in place now to protect womens rights and civil rights..

when the larger picture emerges from the Fog of Confusion

We can understand a lot more...analyze too....and...solve with greater odds.

Peace is an Option we should be series considering.....

With Peace we get MORE FUN

With Wars like Bushie/Cheney War.....we have less fun and more misery....

Rove did America a bad thing when he guided W into Texas and then the Oval Office.....

But that exposed the Underbelly of the Pub Party...leading to the Dems Victory

President is on a Peace Mission...while yet to be announced...he hints and works toward Peace with Truth, Sanity, and Reason....

Its Time to seriously consider Peace as a means to confront our many concerns....only Global efforts will make this happen...

Therfore we should gear up...listen to the music for CHANGE

http://www.google.com/search?q=playingforchange.com&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

thanks-

for your work and your words.

:hi:

The sense of entitlement that some people have just slays me. They have no fucking idea how much work we did to get them to be able to live like they can now, with some semblance of laws to humanize us more. They don't remember that the term sexual harassment was coined by a bunch of brave women who didn't like to get slapped on the ass at the photocopier. Or that women "were asking for it" by, um, doing whatever seemed to be a convenient reason.

Bless you for all you did. You can look back and know that you made a huge difference.