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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 09:29 PM Original message |
When are we going shoot the people who steal fish and dump toxic waste? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. more piracy rationalization. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. YOU are rationalizing doing nothing about piracy. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
108. perhaps because we haven't faced a situation where someone was |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Right, the Somalis have nothing to complain about! |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
89. Some of these ships carrying toxic waste could be disguised as 'Aid' ships |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. We should be shooting the pirates in 3 piece suits who have looted the treasury |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. Line 'em up. No pirates will be spared! |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. It seems that some people are in denial about the toxic dumping, etc |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. Moral Equivalency alert... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yes, I believe that white lives and black lives ARE equal in value. |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. And that makes piracy okay, how??? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. You tell me -- you're the one who doesn't want to shoot the toxic waste criminals. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The misplaced lust for vengence blinds some to believe toxic waste doesn't kill people. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Are you for shooting people dumping toxic waste? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I can't speak for Baldguy, but my answer is an emphatic yes. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The question was to Baldguy. He isn't a fan of self defense, hence the question. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
107. Gun-worshipers reduce everything to a 2nd Amendment issue. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #107 |
115. Answer the question then. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. That's what I thought. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
119. What does toxic waste |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. The pirates aren't exactly GreenPeace |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. yeah, about that... |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. I'm fine with shooting them, too |
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ForrestGump (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
110. Because they're not |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I'd say more than technically |
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ForrestGump (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
109. I'd be interested to see your warped logic (actually, total ABSENCE of logic) on display |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. Sammy Davis Jr impersonators........ in DRAG! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. This story reminds me of chemtrails. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The dumping is all too real, unfortunately. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Awesome Job By The Navy Taking Those Fuckers Out With A Bullet Straight Through Their Heads. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. When will the Navy shoot the dumpers? That is what I want to know. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I believe that would be an Act of War. You want to start another one, bad idea. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Nonsense. If we can shoot black gangsters, we can shoot white gangsters. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Shooting Foreign Nationals for crimes without a trial could be considered an Act of War. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. If we patrol, then we can catch them in the act. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The use of deadly force in that situation would be unlawful by US and International law. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Bull. Anyone who touches the valve, dies. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. We could arrest them. Why isn't that good enough? How many people do you want to kill? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. How many do you think it'll take? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Your bloodlust seems pretty strong, you tell me. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. So again what's wrong with arresting them instead of murdering them? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. It's not murder when it's a legitimate act of defense... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Who is in imminent danger from the fisherman? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Somali fishermen have been in danger from the resource-raiders. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. If they pose an immediate threat to someone's life then shoot them, if not arrest them. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Who will arrest them? Somalia doesn't have a coast guard. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. The same people you want to shoot them. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Puntland has a coast guard, set up & funded by a British "Blackwater"-style private military corp. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. So now you are advocating shooting prisoners in our custody. George is that you. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. So take your hand off the valve when ordered to by the Navy. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. You said shoot them, not warn them to stop and shoot them if they don't. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. So someone tells some handicapped guy to open a bilge valve,he does what he's told and you kill him. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
75. i believe the act of war = dumping poison in someone else's country & |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. So you think we should kill everyone on board? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. so when did you stop beating your wife? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. So you agree with me, they should be arrested and not killed. Thanks. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. no, personally, at this point i think they should be tortured & made to consume toxic waste, thanks. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Maybe we should invade France, they are the likely European nuclear waste dumper. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. oh, there's just one? & you know this how? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. So invading the wrong country is wrong but shooting the wrong guy is ok? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. didn't say anything about wrong or right, just wanted to know your sources. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Personally I don't think we should torture ANYONE else. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. why not? if it's good enough for "al qaeda," it's good enough for child-killers. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Did you approve of Bushes use of torture? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 03:09 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. he was president & he said it's ok, who am i to argue? let's torture *all* the babykillers. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Ok, I understand, you approve of torture, thanks for clearing it up. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. Economic terrorism. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. ZOMG, this is heresy you speak! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
15. The death penalty doesn't apply to those crimes. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Sure it does! Poisoning people is murder. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. They have a right to a trial. You do know that, right? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Not if we catch them in the act of dumping. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Because it is a violation of US and International Law. You did vote for change didn't you? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Which law? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. The Constitution will do. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Nothing in the Constitution disallows the use of force... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You fail. Try the 4th, 6th and 8th Amendment's they all apply. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. None of those would prevent us from shooting someone who was about to... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. How would you know the substance was a deadly one? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. How do you know whether the guy in the ski mask is holding a real gun? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Pointing a weapon at someone is an immediate threat, deadly force is justified. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. The Constitution doesn't apply in Somalia. Or to terrorists. Bush told me so. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. They should be arrested not murdered. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You want to shoot fisherman also, don't forget about that. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. You have a touching concern for armed robbers. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I'm fond of the Constitution and it's protections, sorry you hold it in such disdain. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 04:07 AM Response to Reply #47 |
106. Somalia *isn't* the US, why do you keep insisting the US Constitution is the law there? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. The poster wanted the US Navy to shoot foreign nationals for illegal dumping. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Catch them in the act? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. Unless you catch them in the act. Then you get to act as executioner! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. If they are posing an imminent deadly threat then deadly force is required. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. Isn't it kinda dumb to steal fish from same place you dump toxic waste? n/t |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Who said criminals were the smartest lot? |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Check a map one day. Somalia has a 3300 km coastline. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. And no currents? Check n/t |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. If you dumped toxic waste off Maine, would you stop fishing in Florida? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
64. coastline of somalia is as long as the US eastern seaboard. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
51. You first. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Don't you think this is a job for the professionals? |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
54. Are they doing it in our waters? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Aren't all nations empowered to enforce maritime law? |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Were captain Philips and his crew dumping toxic waste in Somalian waters? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Phillips & crew didn't, but other people certainly have. |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. And that made it ok for the Phillips and crew to be taken hostage? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. You seem to be trying to justify poisoning Somalis with toxic waste. |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I fail to see why we are responsible for the toxic waste dump in Somalian waters |
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ForrestGump (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
112. I beleive that the pirates came to an end while the good captain was osmoregulating over the side |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
90. Does that Maritime Law allow execution for illegal dumping? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
102. You are verging on US "should police the world" language. Strike that, that's exactly what you're... |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
65. Probably the same time they start violently taking over ships and taking hostages. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Poisoning people is violence. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #68 |
87. Ah, I love moral equivalency games... |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
77. Wouldn't it be easier if the Somali pirates shot the poachers and dumpers? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. according to the un security council, that's basically how they got started. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #80 |
103. I call BS on that one, though. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
99. One banana, two banana, three banana, four |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
101. When those guys running around attacking other ships form a government to patrol their waters. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 03:28 AM Response to Original message |
105. To answer the question in your OP.. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-15-09 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
113. DId I miss the fact that these people are kidnapping and murdering people for ransom? |
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