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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:07 PM
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Ok...my brain hurts...I need someone to explain to me why corporate fat cuts are protesting bailouts
of corporate fat cats.

Honestly, I'm not that interested in these protests, but I feel like I am missing something when being told that these are being funded by big business.

They seem to be like they are being funded by Conservative Think Tanks who use their mouth pieces on talk radio as organizers.

Corporate fat cats seem pleased as punch with TARP and such.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:08 PM
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1. because the money didn't go to THEM
its all about ME ME ME
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:09 PM
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2. Think of it as the Military Industrial Complex organizing War Protests
That's how I wrap my brain around it

Control the Message
Control the Citizens
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:10 PM
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4. So..give me the why?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:12 PM
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7. Control the Message, Control the Citizens
Like I said.

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:41 PM
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14. What is the message then?
Give us more money but don't raise taxes?

Your eerie Orwellian tone doesn't provide much insight.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:10 PM
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3. if only. -- this is a movement based solely on lies.
at least corporat fat cats would have a 'bag' on the face of this event.

not much of a bag -- but a bag.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:10 PM
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5. Too many strings attached. And by too many we mean "any." :)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:11 PM
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6. So, they wanted taxes raised to pay for bailouts without strings...
That would be ok?

I still think this site's view is off by a few degrees.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:15 PM
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9. Oh sorry you know what, I read your OP too quickly:
Actually I don't think they're funding by big banks who are unhappy about the bailout.

So, I can't explain a rationale for that.

But it has been in the news that Banks are grumbling about the repayment conditions of TARP funds... that's what I was thinking about.

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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:14 PM
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8. I don't think it's the bailouts they're opposed to
I think they're opposed to them having to pay for it. Let the poor and middle class foot the bill somehow. :crazy:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:16 PM
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10. They are not paying for it
Nobody is paying for it right now. This is why the Deficit was a goddamn trillion dollars.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:45 PM
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16. yeah, but when the bill comes due
and it will, the corporate fat cats are going to cry their eyes out about how them being "overtaxed" is going to hurt all of us. I can hear it now....
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:54 PM
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17. Well, we are all going to be taxed to the neck when the bill comes due
That strikes me as inevitable.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:02 PM
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18. I know
And I'm not going to like it one bit, but if they let the big shots off the hook for paying their fair share for the mess THEY made while sticking it to my poor ass, I'm going to be one mad sumbitch.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:28 PM
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11. For the most part they aren't protesting the bailouts ( = bank plunder plan)
Except some who want to see GM go under, but that's peanuts compared to the "bailouts."

Well, depends who we're talking about. Wall St. and PTB ain't protesting the "bailouts," since that's the essential god-given money that bankfuckers earn by existing and thus making all other life possible.

They do protest
a) any time they personally get less than 100% of the plunder they want (as with the bonus flap)
b) sometimes, with regard to the failure to give all other government money to them to (as in: stimulus plan. Or the continued existence of the "entitlement" programs like Social Security).
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:33 PM
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13. Also, there's some opportunism...
The banksters rightly fear a small chance that they'll one day be brought to justice (or the guillotine) for their crimes, so it's important to make lots of noise to obfuscate what's what. Complain about provisions in the plunder plan (while taking the money) so that later when it inevitably "fails" to stop the depression (how DID that happen?!) they can blame the government, or Obama, or whoever.

The Republicans, currently lost in teabag wilderness, may yet have a life handed back to them when the plunder plan "fails." Their chance will be in casting themselves as a simulation of the populist anti-banking party against the "elitist" pro-banker Obama. Which is hilarious, but let's face it: it could work.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:44 PM
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15. I really don't a "Republican" character to this
The Republicans are so far out in the wilderness right now, they need a map just to be considered "lost."

I think this is driven by some Conservative think tanks and talk radio who want to destroy the current Republican Establishment and replace with something angrier, more male, and even more Christian.

Which is a disastrous plan by electoral standards, but will get them a lot of headlines and consolidate a lot of money and power in some new hands.
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:30 PM
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12. They want to control the bailouts
If Democrats give billions of dollars to rich bankers, rich bankers show gratitude to Democrats.
Republicans want some of that action.
So they try to make Democrats look bad.
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