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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:34 PM
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Nora Ephron reads "me" on DU.
As she states on Huffpo:
Because the worst thing about Susan Boyle -- and there are several, but I'm going to deal with only one -- is that she sings that horrible song. That song is worse than all of Andrew Lloyd Webber, and it's worse than "It's A Small World After All." The song from Les Miserables that Susan Boyle sings is the all-time most horrible song ever in history, and the reason is simple: it sticks in your brain and never stops playing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nora-ephron/stop-the-music_b_188961.html

I was attacked by, I can only gather, musically challenged people for opining that Les Miz song was sub-par. Well, I actually called it crap. I noted it was Andrew Lloyd Webber-like and attacked for not knowing it was not a Webber song (I knew that).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3834124

I get quite amused when people when people attack me over such unimportant, silly things. However, it feels good to be plagarized (somewhat) by Ephron.
:rofl:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:38 PM
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1. I dislike the song also, but am thrilled by her success. nt
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:46 PM
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2. Oh, come now ...........
You're hardly the only person who thought that crappy song is horrid. If it's Andrew Lloyd Webber, it's a given that the song will be sappy and cheaply sentimental. What sentient theater-goer doesn't know that?

Never confuse DU with the real world - lots of us out here were transfixed by the Susan Boyle experience, but it was simply because - and let's use real plain language here - she's a freak and she could sing really well. Sort of like the sideshow at the carnival, only that song provided the requisite heartstrings tug.

Do you think the people at that TV show didn't know that? Do you think that whole thing was utterly spontaneous?

While you're clapping yourself on the back, you really should unburden yourself of that delusion. Those awful songs just seem to have the knack of hitting the soap opera part of our brains, and we react accordingly.

Everyone with a brain knows this, and if you were attacked for it - what a laugh those people are - well, they're even less informed.

Outside world - it's a good thing .................
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:48 PM
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3. I thought my tongue-in-cheekiness was implied. And sentimentality
has nothing to do with it. That would be in the lyrics. The music is crap. No melody to speak of. Crap.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:52 PM
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8. Your tongue wasn't in your cheek .............
Sentimentality has everything to do with the power of that song, and others like it.

Naw, come on - you were patting yourself on the back and trying to slam those who slammed you. The reference to Ephron haven't "plagiarized" you was kind of unfortunate..............
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:02 PM
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15. Sorry, but no. I was trying to be funny. But you can believe what you want.
It's not important to me. I'm surprised at all the people who defend that music, though. I mean, who cares about my opinion? It's just an opinion about a piece of pop music.
:shrug:
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:22 PM
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22. It wasn't funny -
it was angry and smug and self-congratulatory - to wit, the links you supplied.

Ah, what the hell - just so long as you got it out of your system.

You do realize, don't you, that emoticons don't affect the content of the message, no matter how much you try?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:13 PM
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24. Geesh, I must have struck a nerve with you. Hope your load gets lighter today. nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:00 PM
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14. She's a freak?
That statement says more about you than about her.

People here who responded to positively to her were disgusted by all the eye-rolling and sniggering before she began. That's why we were happy when she proved herself -- not because we thought she couldn't do it (not being young and beautiful) -- but because she proved the bullies wrong.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:03 PM
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17. Yeah, I thought that was pretty rude, too. I'd never call Boyle a freak. nt
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:25 PM
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23. "...rude..."
Stating the obvious is "rude"?

Oh, get a grip, for heaven's sake. The reason she's so damn appealing is because the packaging belies the talent. That's her hook, and if you can't acknowledge that, you're sunk deeper in PC hell than you know............

She's a freak. People who look and act like that don't have that kind of talent. That's what makes her a freak. And, if that makes you unhappy, check the definition of the word. People who don't know meanings of words are really embarrassing ..............
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:21 PM
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26. There are LOTS of ordinary looking men in the music business. And that's what she
is. Ordinary looking, yes. Plain, yes. Freakish, no.

Does anyone call Mick Jagger freakish? She's more attractive than he is. Bob Dylan is no prize either, in the looks department. Or countless other men. And no one expects them to get a makeover or even wear makeup.

And there have been always been ordinary looking women singers, although fewer of them than of men. Barbara Streisand, Liza Minelli, Mama Cass, Janis Joplin. They aren't/weren't freaks, and neither is Susan Boyle.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:21 PM
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20. All it says about me is that I speak plainly
If you don't realize that so much of Boyle's appeal - beyond her lovely voice which is far more spectacular because of its vessel - is because she's so far off the norm where show business is concerned, you don't know what the word "freak" means.

And trying to bring me into it personally with an off-center cheap shot is, well, a badly-aimed and uninformed cheap shot.

She only proved to people that sometimes a freak - and, admit it, that's pretty much the kind of people who go on those shows - has talent.

Now, go play with your dictionary, and forgive yourself your ignorance of your mother tongue........................
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:49 PM
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4. What makes you think you're less musically challenged than other DUers?
What makes you think Ephron has read a word you wrote?

I think it's a massive ego, in both cases. Good of you to start a thread in GD to let us know how huge yours is. Vanity threads normally go in the Lounge.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:51 PM
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6. Ah, but this is Boyle thread.
And do you really think I think Ephron read my thread? I've got a sense of humor. Really, I do.
:rofl:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:02 PM
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16. All the more reason to keep your crap in the Lounge (nt)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:03 PM
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18. But Boyle threads get top billing! nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:44 PM
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27. I got your humor..
:D Personally, I didn't really take note of the song she sang so much as the look on the judges' and audience's faces before and after she sang the song.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:22 PM
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28. Thank you. Nora Ephron does not read "me" on DU.
She reads "me" on Huffpo.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:50 PM
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5. It's a good song..
As are all of the musical numbers in the musical. Take it back.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:51 PM
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7. No, no, no, no, no, no, no! Nora says I don't have to. nt
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:52 PM
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9. She must have a very empty brain if it "sticks" there
What was wonderful about her was the lovely voice, especially coming from such an expected vessel.

But, hey, that person had to write a column, or an opinion, and what a wonderful topic she had.

After worrying about her neck and her gray hair, she finally found a topic worth posting

:banghead:

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:04 PM
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19. I saw her confidence and didn't expect a bad voice. I guess I'm not
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 02:05 PM by valerief
as judgmental as many other people.

Of course, when she said the song was from Les Miz, I expected a bad song, so I'm guilty of that but not without reason.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:53 PM
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10. I like the song but am not all that wowed by Susan Boyle
I am also sick of hearing about her :)
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:56 PM
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11. I was much more taken away by Paul Potts. nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:58 PM
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12. And Nora Ephron made a mess out of her remake of "Bewitched"
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:00 PM
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13. I wouldn't even THINK about seeing that. Ugh! nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:21 PM
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21. Either that or great minds do think alike
I hated the song, too, but was impressed by her ability to sell it.

It's very rare to hear someone who sings so totally on pitch with so little strain in her voice.

Her "Cry Me a River" rendition was much better and a clearer picture of her talent.

She's not beautiful, she's not particularly intelligent, and she's got some behavior problems. However, the lady can sing. Beautifully.

If she can sell that dog of a show tune, she can do better material in a way it's never been done before.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:16 PM
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25. Yep, her voice deserves good material. I don't know why, but I
thought of Diane Schurr when I heard her. I think it was the clarity and effortlessness in her voice, as you point out.
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