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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:59 PM
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When do we investigate the bush regime for waging a war of agression on Iraq? nt
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 09:59 PM by Skip Intro
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:12 PM
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1. pipe dream
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:12 PM
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2. evidently - lack of replies here has me scratching my head.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:34 PM
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3. it definitely should be investigated
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 11:35 PM by Skittles
it's giving me hope that the torture issue is not being swept under the rug (yet) but it's pretty sad the piece of useless shit war is pretty much being ignored
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:22 AM
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5. You know, I just figured it out.
How can the Obama admin seek justice of those that began a war we're still fighting?

I think that's what it all boils down to.

It's a fucking shame the people responsible for killing so many for made-up reasons will just waltz away.

It's a stain on our nation no flag or argument will ever be big enough to hide.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:03 AM
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9. leaves the door open for it to all happen again
next time repukes are in power :puke:
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:40 PM
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4. WE have to DEMAND it from Congress and Obama
It is possible that Obama is waiting for us to force him to do it. Public pressure works, especially when you have someone who seems willing to listen.

I think it is a big mistake that the anti war movement has backed down and assumed our work was done. Now is the time to ramp up the pressure, not kick back.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:23 AM
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6. We need to look forward, not back
Stop playing the blame game.

:sarcasm:
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:57 AM
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7. uhm
:spank:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:00 AM
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8. But then won't we have to investigate what's happening in Afghanistan?
:hide:
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:42 AM
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10. We need more protests!
help me contact UFPJ and ask what is up with the war protests...

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/contactus.php
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:23 PM
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11. Very good question! K&R
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:49 PM
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12. And investigate the congress that approved the war on Iraq?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:02 PM
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13. Nuremberg Lesson for Iraq War: It’s Murder

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0830-33.htm

Published on Tuesday, August 30, 2005, distributed by Knight-Ridder Newspapers

Nuremberg Lesson for Iraq War: It’s Murder
by Michael Mandel

This month marks the 60th anniversary of the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal, the basic legal document for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals that commenced in November 1945.
One of the great innovations of that charter was the charge of "Crimes Against Peace," defined as the "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances."

In a famous passage from their judgment of the following year, the four judges of the tribunal (American, British, French and Russian) declared the crime of aggressive war to be "the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

The innovation of the crime of aggressive war was in fact denounced by the Nazi defendants as "ex post facto law," but Justice Robert Jackson, America's prosecutor at Nuremberg, had an answer for this: Illegal wars were nothing more than mass murder, and there was nothing ex post facto about the crime of murder. Here's what Jackson said to the tribunal in his opening statement on Nov. 21, 1945:

Any resort to war - any kind of war - is a resort to means that are inherently criminal. War inevitably is a course of killings, assaults, deprivations of liberty and destruction of property. An honestly defensive war is, of course, legal and saves those lawfully conducting it from criminality. But inherently criminal acts cannot be defended by showing that those who committed them were engaged in a war, when war itself is illegal. The very minimum legal consequence of the treaties making aggressive war illegal is to strip those who incite or wage them of every defense the law ever gave, and to leave the war-makers subject to judgment by the usually accepted principles of the law of crimes.

The crime of aggression is nowhere to be seen in modern international criminal codes, and leading the charge against including it has been the United States itself. It's easy to see why. The war in Iraq, for one example, constitutes the quintessential war of aggression, falling very far short, rhetoric apart, of any justification in self-defense or authorization by the Security Council of the United Nations, the only two accepted legal grounds for war in international law. The U.N. Charter is one of those "international treaties" mentioned in the London Charter of 1945. And with the best estimates of the cost in Iraqi civilian lives ranging between 25,000 (Iraq body count) and 100,000 (Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, Baltimore), all well within prewar predictions, it seems perverse to keep on insisting that this was a "humanitarian intervention," itself a dubious legal ground for war. In fact, it amounts to rather a lot of counts of murder on Jackson's definition.

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:06 PM
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14. knr n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 09:10 AM
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15. kick
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