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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:05 PM
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LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME --- I am not a torturer
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 01:06 PM by seemslikeadream
I have a memo to prove it

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:06 PM
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1. Yep. He's Condi Rice's Larry Wilkerson. n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:07 PM
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4. Zing!
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 01:09 PM by Solly Mack
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:07 PM
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2. I don't see any of this in the 9/11 Commission report...
Wha happened?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:14 PM
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10. I can't even keep up with all the layers and levels of corruption any more. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:07 PM
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3. Umm...about that memo...
http://washingtonindependent.com/40052/state-department-unaware-of-zelikows-torture-dissent

State Department ‘Unaware’ of Zelikow’s Torture Dissent
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:10 PM
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5. I wondered if it even existed
Thanks!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:13 PM
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9. Maybe the FOIA will unearth something. Might take the state dept.
awhile.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:23 PM
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18. I wondered if it even existed
and if it does did he send it on to whoever, or did he write one up and keep it for himself
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:45 PM
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26. Yes
A whole lot of wondering going on
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:23 PM
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20. According to this...
it seems like he's hinting it does..

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/state_dept_lawyer_white_house_tried_to_destroy_my.php

State Dept Lawyer: White House Tried To Destroy My Alternative Memo On Torture
By Zachary Roth - April 21, 2009, 2:06PM
*****************
The memo I mentioned was highly classified at the time. So any extant copies, or drafts, would only be in an appropriate government safe. Any extant copies at State would be in their archival facilities for top secret papers from my files, or possibly Bellinger's files, or Secretary Rice's files.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:26 PM
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22. Secretary Rice's files..... yea Zelikow BFF surely has a "copy" of that memo laying around
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:38 PM
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24. well if it would exonerate..
or manage the perception of his being a good guy, I'm sure something could be found.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:50 PM
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27. and maybe it does
and maybe it never did

Maybe we'll know sooner or later
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:13 PM
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7. It's a bad day when we have to figure out who is telling the truth
between this guy and the State Department as reported by the WaHo!

lol
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:14 PM
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11. SOP, no?
:crazy:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:12 PM
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6. Ah, well, "Transparency in Government" was such a nice slogan.
Kinda like, "Guaranteed to restore hair".
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:13 PM
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8. Did I miss something here? This guy had the balls
to go against the entire Bush administration, this is the guy who told them what they were doing is illegal. Why are we picking on him? Or do I have this wrong?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:17 PM
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14. Well, wasn't he the Chief of Staff on the 9/11 whitewash?
And do we know he's telling the truth now?

He's Condi Rice's right hand guy. He'd pretty much have to show me two pieces of ID and his tattoo just for me to believe he's actually himself.

lol

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:19 PM
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16. If he told me the sun came up this morning, I'd grab a flashlight and THEN...
look out of my window.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:38 PM
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23. Yeah, my fault for not digging into this guy,
wasn't sure who he was. However if he is willing to testify and name names I'm willing to ignore the fact that he is an asshole and cut him some slack on his own crimes. Kind of like getting a hitman to testify against a mob boss..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:40 PM
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25. A situation that will repeat over and over, for sure.
I guess my deal is, before we enshrine these guys (because there will be a lot of them), let's remember who they are when they CYA,
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:15 PM
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12. He's a snake for sure, imo, but it is still worthwhile...
listening to him as long as one keeps in mind he has a personal agenda in coming out now and it is not, imo, because it is his 'patriotic duty' to do so.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:20 PM
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17. personal agenda
Zelikow has been on my TV more in the last 12 hours than any time since 9/11
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:23 PM
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19. I was going to ask whose mug is on the tube today
from some of you hardier souls than I am. :hi:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:16 PM
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13. "Wait..you mean carrying that kind of water can have CONSEQUENCES?'
"Well, then, let me out of it."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:19 PM
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15. Sooo..... tell me if I got this right
Zelikow was adamant against torture but kept the torture tape from the 9/11 Commission, what's wrong with that picture?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/22/AR2007122201622.html

Former members and staffers of the 9/11 Commission have concluded that the CIA withheld videotapes of harsh interrogation sessions even after specific and "very detailed" requests about the two prisoners whose tapes were later destroyed, according to a review of classified material by the panel.

A seven-page report for former commission members by the panel's former executive director, Philip Zelikow, says the group made broad initial requests for intelligence information from interrogations, "including repeated requests for very detailed information" about the interrogations and how they were carried out.

The commission also made specific inquiries about the interrogations of suspected al-Qaeda operatives Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, commonly known as Abu Zubaida, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the report says. The CIA revealed earlier this month that tapes of those prisoners' interrogations were destroyed in 2005.

"None of the officials involved in these exchanges disclosed the existence of recordings that might have contained facts material to the Commission's questions on these points," according to the report, which was disclosed yesterday by the New York Times.

The Dec. 13 memo essentially confirms earlier complaints that, by withholding and then destroying the tapes, the CIA had not complied with the panel's requests for a broad array of documents and other material about CIA detainees
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:24 PM
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21. Yeah but was he forced to destroy the tape or is he playing games?
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 01:39 PM by walldude
I know what many of us would have done, I know many progressives would have quit their jobs, some would have even gone to prison to get the truth out, but neo-cons are weak and greedy, and I can't fault them for not wanting to end up on unemployment or in jail. So I'm not sure how to deal with this dude, should I be grateful that he at least made an attempt and is now talking freely or do I hold him accountable for following orders?

edit: Ok my bad for not checking on who this idiot is.
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