Janis Karpinski is outraged - Democratic Underground

CatWoman

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:24 PM
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Janis Karpinski is outraged

and so am I.

The more I learn, the more outraged I become.

It has reduced me to tears.

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spanone

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:25 PM
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1. this is why President Obama released the memos...imho

there will be no choice but to prosecute

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arthritisR_US

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:26 PM
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3. I sure hope you're right. n/t

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Gregorian

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:25 PM
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2. I've been waiting for this. Now she is free to be completely heard.

It's all heading in the right direction now.

She is pissed! Thank goodness we made it to this day.

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:33 PM
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18. You notice how she and Rice's underling didn't first talk to FOX?

Gee, I wonder why?

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blaze

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:26 PM
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4. She was on fire!!

So passionate!! :patriot:

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malaise

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:26 PM
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5. She was almost in tears

What the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We knew - we all knew but there's nothing like evidence.

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:26 PM
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6. She should be--and so should you.

Doesn't look like she was exactly at the top of the food chain at Abu Ghraib, hunh?

Maybe had a can tied to her tail by Rummy?

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:28 PM
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9. Actually, I don't know what just happened. Did she appear somewhere?

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blaze

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:30 PM
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15. She was just on KO n/t

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Raine

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:31 PM
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17. KO had her on his show nt

Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 07:31 PM by Raine

Edit: typo

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:37 PM
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22. YouTube clip of Karpinski on CBS morning show ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GERHQ0zNtpk&feature=fvsr

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:00 PM
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26. Clip of Karpinski on Al Jazeera ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b6NXpiZS2c

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:13 PM
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33. DU link for Karpinski on Countdown ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=301428&mesg_id=301428

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H2O Man

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:31 PM
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16. Rumsfeld needs

to be tried. My only concern is that there are some in Washington who want to use his prosecution to stop the legal consequences from going further. There needs to be a full accounting, including VP Cheney and his assistant, George Bush.

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CatWoman

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:28 PM
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36. this is me

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:36 PM
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42. Well, I see you're keeping

that boob covered up these days after Ashcroft had his little fit.

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CatWoman

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:54 PM
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47. I should flash your ass

:rofl:

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Aristus

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:59 PM
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49. I'll sell tickets to THAT!

:popcorn:

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CatWoman

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:00 PM
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50. Hey Baby

:hi:

:loveya:

every time I watch either Jeopardy or a Rome documentary, I think of you :)

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Aristus

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:04 PM
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51. Awww...

:blush:

:hi::loveya: right back!

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:52 PM
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56. You flashing MY fat ass would be quite a trick

as well as pretty revolting. But if you decide to flash YOURS, gimme a little notice and I'll be down there for the show.

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elleng

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:36 PM
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43. He really did it to her.

We've been talking about cheney (and bush) here, but rum REALLY SHOULD be at/near top of list for retribution. RUINED THIS FINE WOMAN'S LIFE.

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Chipper Chat

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:27 PM
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7. She is very very brave...

to criticize Cheney - criticize hell, she's eviscerating him. She is shaking. According to her Lyndi England and Charles Grainer were totally following orders and they are brave Americans doing time. I believe her. Obama - how about cheking into this?

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blaze

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:29 PM
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12. And she ended the interview with

"An honor to serve."

I hope we honor her as well.

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wiggs

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:34 PM
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20. Wish she was in front of senate hearing or at least on msm so that more

people could see and hear (As much as I like Keith, for her to go to Keith first may undercut her message with a lot of people).

Still...I'll take it. Maybe more and more people everyday will speak up and get exposure so that they finally will be invited by the senate or by msm to tell their story. An avalanche of outrage and truth. Much better than Boehner, Gingrich, and Rove out there lambasting Obama for releasing the truth to the public.

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roguevalley

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Wed Apr-22-09 11:24 PM
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59. she looks terrible, this really took it out of her. as someone who was

gutted unjustly myself, there is nothing worse than being slagged for someone else's shit.

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tridim

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:27 PM
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8. Speechless. nt

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Parker CA

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:28 PM
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11. +1. Just unbelievable.

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HughMoran

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:28 PM
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10. Me too

I could see the emotions and adrenaline as she spoke.

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:29 PM
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13. Her reaction is indicative of how I would imagine ...

... all honorable military people are feeling regarding this revelation.

What I'd like to know is where are the rest of the generals echoing her outrage?

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G_j

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:30 PM
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14. she was visibly upset

quite a good segment.

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Fuzz

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:34 PM
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19. Scapegoating at its worst

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DCKit

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:52 PM
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23. Except she refused to along with it.

They demanded she take responsibility, she made some noise about the CIA running Abu G. with her as a figurehead, and then she quietly went away - under threat, no doubt.

Until now, she didn't attack their criminality directly, but she didn't fall on her sword for them either.

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Ilsa

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:57 PM
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58. She's trying to stay alive, I fear. nt

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EFerrari

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:35 PM
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21. I can't watch it. Did she say or does anyone know

when she went on record against the abuse and the torture at AG?

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:30 PM
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38. DU link to video ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=301428&mesg_id=301428

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EFerrari

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:30 PM
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39. Hey, thank you!

:hi:

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stevedeshazer

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:56 PM
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24. I could tell by her passion. She was visibly shaking with anger.

This story is blowing up, just like it should have 5-6 years ago.

And I'm outraged, too.

K&R

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Tangerine LaBamba

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Wed Apr-22-09 07:58 PM
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25. She's good .............

I just watched an Errol Morris documentary - "Standard Operating Procedure" - about what really went on at Abu Ghraib. Karpinski is one of the people who talks about the experience.

Riveting. A necessary movie everyone should see.

Also very hard to watch. I managed about ten minutes at a time. Very difficult .................................................................

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:02 PM
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27. Clip of Karpinski on Countdown is up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyez4uBPC4I

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:04 PM
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28. DU link ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=301428&mesg_id=301428

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HughMoran

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:06 PM
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29. Thanks, I just put it on the Greatest Page

Everybody here must watch and kick this video so all of our visitors will see it too.

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:10 PM
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31. That's fastest I've seen anything I've posted go to the greatest! n/t

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HughMoran

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:15 PM
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34. 11 recs in 11 minutes

It's flying off the shelves! :)

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BelgianMadCow

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:10 PM
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32. which is why DU is great

here I am at 3 AM on the other side of the atlantic and I'm clued in right away

:thumbsup: I'll go K&R the vid, back in the day before the vid forum existed this would be a 100 + rec I think

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CountAllVotes

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:15 PM
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35. hello there in Belgium

:hi: Nice to see you here! Spread the word: America is back and stronger than ever!

We will beat these corrupt bastards soon. The legal framework is set. Action: NEXT.

:kick:

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BelgianMadCow

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:29 PM
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37. Hi you in CA :-)

I've said so before: action on the torture issue is key to regaining international standing.

After the ugly truth of Abu Ghraib images, the even uglier truth of an institutional ("systemic" :sarcasm:) torture policy will have to see the light of day.

Cleansing a wound is both painful and necessary.

:toast: to recovery

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:31 PM
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40. Don't mean to butt in, but "Cleansing a wound is both painful and necessary." QFT! n/t

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BelgianMadCow

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:50 PM
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45. it's a really cathartic moment isn't it

Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 09:18 PM by BelgianMadCow

for those of us that consider Colbert's speech to Bush on the white house correspondents' association dinner historic. Together with Al Gore's scathing speech on MLK day, landmarks

Colbert: (MUST SEE)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879

Gore: (unfortunately, can't find the entire thing which is awesome x 2)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3313623747767874725

The way they brought their message could hardly be more different - but both moved me to tears (ok, Colbert to laughter as well, but a strange kind).
EVERY bit as relevant today. No, make that more so.

ps you made me look up QFT :-) thanks :hi:

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ColbertWatcher

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:30 PM
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53. I hope General Karpinski has many more cathartic moments soon. n/t

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G_j

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:31 PM
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41. K&R

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Stephanie

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:06 PM
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52. Thank you. The soldiers were coached on the techniques by *contractors*?

WTF? Is that what she said? Contractors at Abu Ghraib told these soldiers what to do based on the Bush admin's memos?

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EFerrari

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:39 PM
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55. Hard to tell who they were because they weren't in uniform.

OGA. Some were military intelligence and some were CIA but it wasn't really the job of these guards to ask for a pedigree. Not to many contractors, though, as far as I can tell from reading.

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CountAllVotes

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:07 PM
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30. K&R!!!

Good for General Karpinski! She is a true patriot and a fine American! :patriot:

:kick: & Recommned!!

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tnlefty

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:46 PM
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44. IIRC, she was pissed years before and wrote a book about it.

I bought and read that book. I heard a longer than usual radio clip of her today, and she's pissed all over again, and I could hear it in her voice.

What really blows my mind is the number (s) of people around me who just walk around as if it's business as usual, and they've been this way for the past 7 yrs. None of this seems to affect them at all. Fucking amazing in a crazy sort of way.

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elleng

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:54 PM
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46. I'm thinking we all should write to her,

Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 08:59 PM by elleng

let her know that we support her in every way.

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underpants

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Wed Apr-22-09 08:56 PM
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48. For anyone who read "Fiasco" this is nothing new

the details yes but Ricks spells out how Army units had to create their own detention facilities because they knew that anyone they sent to Abu Gharib would be lost for 6 months or so and no actionable intelligence would ever come out of them. Plus, of course, they knew that the Iraqis knew what was going on there and sending anynoee there would infuriate their family, neighborhood, and community.

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JackBeck

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:36 PM
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54. Love her or hate her, but Randi was on this years ago.

Randi also was talking about how the Bush administration was tapping members of Congress.

Regardless of how her style sits with you (universal 'you'), we need voices like Randi's exposing the truth.

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Bluenorthwest

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Wed Apr-22-09 09:55 PM
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57. I feel better knowing Janis is as angry as I am

The detached style and asking us to move forward has made my blood boil. Karpinski finally showed some steam. I thank her for doing so.

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