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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:55 AM
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Why is a NG Combat Support Batallion necessary during a marathon?
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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=54014

Massachusetts National Guard Supports Boston Marathon



By Army Sgt. James Lally
Special to American Forces Press Service


HOPKINTON, Mass., April 21, 2009 – Almost 400 Massachusetts National Guardsmen were called up to support yesterday’s 113th running of the Boston Marathon.

Image: Army Chief Warrant Officer Thomas R. Lamont, a military personnel technician with Headquarters Company, 26th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade, wears an Army T-shirt as he runs past Army Sgt. Brian L. McClelland in Hopkinton, Mass., during the 113th running of the Boston Marathon, April 20, 2009. Lamont finished the marathon with a time of 4 hours, 47 minutes. U.S. Army photo by Sgt. James Lally

Guardsmen from the 126th Combat Support Battalion were positioned at the starting line to assist the Hopkinton Police in keeping the race route clear for more than 26,000 runners.

The Boston Marathon is a public event supported by multiple agencies in the commonwealth. Every year, spectators line the 26.2-mile route from Hopkinton to Boston. The National Guard helps local police along the marathon route to safeguard spectators and maintain public order.

When the race began, the street was packed tight with runners, who touched the outstretched hands of screaming spectators as they ran by.

"I have done this many times before with the military police, and I hope that I will be able to do it again," said Army Sgt. 1st Class Leonard A. Hester of Company A, 126th Combat Support Battalion. "It's nice to get out here and see the crowd having fun."

Guardsmen don't often experience interacting with the public while in uniform, and they see events like the marathon as a good opportunity to interact. "The spectators were cheering for us as we marched down the route to get into position before the race started," said Army Sgt. Stephen R. Mastronardi, an intelligence analyst with the Headquarters Company, 126th Combat Support Battalion.

Army 1st Lt. Justin P. Culverwell, commander of the battalion’s Company B, said the operation was a success. "The soldiers here definitely made a positive impact on the start of the race and had a good time talking with spectators."

The runners got off to a good start in Hopkinton, but as quickly as the last group of racers could run by, the spectacle of the race ended. The Guardsmen marched back to their busses and returned to their armories for lunch and to discuss their plans for next year.

(Army Sgt. James Lally serves with the Massachusetts National Guard.)

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Why does the Hopkinton Police Department now need the assistance of a military combat support batallion to keep "the race route clear for more than 26,000 runners"?

Why is the military policing the streets of America? Are we being acclimated to the presence of military on our streets?

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:56 AM
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1. Pylons have failed us!
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 11:57 AM by RUMMYisFROSTED
:cry:
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:00 PM
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2. Acclimation to that has been going on for years
The military-industrial complex at work. Hang the banners high, plaster those billboard, let them run through our schools, scrub the news of the "bad" things that we do, put a smile and a nice face behind the persona, and lecture people that you hate America if you don't support each and everything our military does. A pox upon you if you expose some of the crimes that members of our military have committed and seek justice.

Don't get me wrong, I support the military and believe that there are many, many good people within it. I just have a huge problem with this whole culture of hero worship and idolatry that we have put on the military that has elevated it to a status beyond any scrutiny.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:05 PM
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3. Could it be that a CSB has
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 12:06 PM by Squatch
an entire company of medics and physician assistants? I really don't see how those could be used during a marathon.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:05 PM
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4. I don't like it and I can't quite write out why. I am perplexed why the police have
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 12:07 PM by peacetalksforall
become nazi like with staged events as took place by the Governor, RNC, and Mayors in Minneapolis and St. Paul last fall - while the National Guard is warm and fuzzy? Jailing journalists with credentials on the scene at the RNC - jailing journalists who walked across railroad tracks after getting off their bus and walking to the place they were staying - a few nights before the convention started? The arrests of bicyclists in New York. The taser deaths. The change in police coverage has changed dramatically - I don't like the Natl Guard doing this - was it a training excercise for marital law. The police are well prepared for it it seems - the polic departments are becoming anti-citizen.

Well I said I couldn't write it out, but I managed a little.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:21 PM
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5. Because they've been doing it for years. How would you handle security?
The Hopkinton Police Dept employs around 20 police officers. Just the number of runners (not counting the thousands of spectators) in Hopkinton for the marathon is nearly double the town's population. Maintaining crowd control and security for an event the size of the Boston Marathon in SOP and the Mass Nat Guard has been helping out with that task for years. So I don't think this has anything to do with "acclimating" the public to the presence of military on our streets. There are lots of ways that could be done if that was the goal.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:23 PM
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7. Tyically, in such situations, neighboring police forces are combined
And that's the only way to keep it lawful. This is unlawful and violates the Posse Comitatus act of 1878. Just because they've been breaking the law for years does not make it OK to do it again.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:42 PM
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9. Sorry, but you are wrong. It does not violate the posse comitatus act.
That act expressly does not apply to the national guard when acting pursuant to state authority, which is the situation here, where the governor calls up the guard.

And in fact, what you propose is the more legally questionable tactic. The Boston Marathon covers over 26 miles and runs through at least 8 or nine separate towns or cities as well as through unincorporated areas between those locations. Most of these towns are pretty small and have limited police resources. (Hopkinton, where the race starts, has 20 police officers). An official presences is needed not only for security/crowd control but also for traffic control to ensure that none of the more than 25000 runners spread out over the course are not put at risk while also ensuring that should the need arise, emergency vehicles and personnel can cut across or through the marathon course. None of the officers from these individual jurisdictions has authority that cuts across jurisdictional boundaries and none of the mayors, etc. of these towns have that authority either. The governor has both the jurisdiction over and authority to deputize the national guard under state autority to assist the local police. Indeed, well over 1000 police also work the Boston Marathon.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:21 PM
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6. I think we need to restore posse comitatus
Bush ignored it. Obama should reinstate it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:35 PM
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8. it was restored and it never applied to the national guard when under state authority
which is the situation presented.

The Mass National Guard has been helping out with security for the Boston Marathon for a long time.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:54 PM
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10. In case the Persians are invading?
How will we ever unite all the city-states against them? Well, at leas the Spartan NG combat unit can slow them down.
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