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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:14 PM
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Liz Cheney saying waterboarding is not torture
In 2006 they denied waterboarding, now they are justifying it. :crazy:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:15 PM
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1. Drip, drip, drip...
Little by little, they think no one will notice.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:41 PM
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49. That's the other kind of torture, the kind torturers suffer
as they await trial and execution.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:15 PM
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2. I am watching this and all I can say is...
...the road apple does not fall far from the tree.

She comes by lying and bullshit genetically IMO. :puke:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:42 PM
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50. Of course. Liz was the little bundle of joy that once and for all kept Daddy out of Vietnam.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:29 PM
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56. Wow....
...she started life as Daddy's excuse...and she is STILL Daddy's excuse!

:puke:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:15 PM
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3. Of course it's not. It's ENHANCED INTERROGATION...you see you missed the memo. n/t
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:16 PM
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7. Yeah....that's it....
...if ya call torture something else, then it is NOT torture. Guess Darth Vader's daughter did get that memo.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:30 PM
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38. So did Hannity, Laxalt, Beck, O'Reilly, Every Repub....except Shep Smith.
He missed the memo too...check out the vids if you haven't in the political video section.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:15 PM
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4. Nora O'Donnell is not letting that stand
They are arguing the point. Interesting that Nora is not agreeing and standing firm - so far.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:17 PM
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9. That surprised me, too...
...that Nora would stand up to a Cheney...and not kiss RW ass.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:17 PM
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12. I like Nora
I loved her tough questions vs the puke senator yesturday. (forgot name)
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:19 PM
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17. She did that to Mike Pence a few months ago (I forget what it was about).
It surprised me but then I don't watch her channel that much...
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:20 PM
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18. Props to her
She did a good job and didn't let the spawn of cheney push her around.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM
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24. Liz Cheenee is so full of rotten bile, it's disgusting. Doing anything she can to legitimize
the torture that was applied. She needs to have reality handed to her. Disgusting.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:16 PM
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5. The RW is getting desperate to cover their asses.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:16 PM
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6. Do they seriously think this will work? This is a joke. They are desperate. n/t.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:17 PM
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8. What would you expect from a spawn of pure evil to do...maybe she
should try be water boarded and then tell us what she thinks...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:17 PM
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10. Why would anyone care what Liz Cheney says about anything?
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:18 PM by MineralMan
Seriously.

First Dickhead Cheney is still pretending he's anything other than a private citizen. Now his family is pimping his case. Screw that.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:17 PM
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11. Then she won't mind experiencing it, right?
This is a woman attempting to save her daddy's ass. Nothing more.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:18 PM
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13. her father is a sadistic monster!
"listen to yourself Liz"!
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:18 PM
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14. What are her
qualifications for speaking on this subject? Just wondering...............
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:21 PM
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21. Work history
I'm not saying she is qualified one way or the other.

Prior to attending law school, Cheney worked for the State Department for five years and the U.S. Agency for International Development between 1989 and 1993. After 1993, she took a job at Armitage Associates LLP, the consulting firm founded by Richard Armitage, then a former Defense Department official and Iran-Contra operative who later served as Deputy Secretary of State.

After graduating from law school, Cheney practiced law in the private sector (at the law firm of White & Case) and as an international law attorney and consultant at the International Finance Corporation, a member of the World Bank Group. She has also served as Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of State for Assistance to the former Soviet Union, and as a USAID officer in U.S. embassies in Budapest and Warsaw.<2>

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs

In 2002, Cheney was appointed to the influential<3> position of Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, a pre-existing vacant post with an "economic portfolio," which is a mandate to promote investment in the region. Amid reports, including a New York Times editorial by Paul Krugman,saying that the job was created especially for her, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said that she had come recommended by Colin Powell.<4><5> The Times of London reported that Cheney's appointment was "the most intriguing sign that America is getting serious about Middle East reform" and that the appointment was "a measure of the seriousness with which the administration was taking Middle East programmes for literacy, education, and reform."<6> The appointment followed publicized policy divisions between the Vice President's office and the State Department on Middle East policy. In that position, she was given control of the Middle East Partnership Initiative, designed to "foster increased democracy and economic progress in a troubled region." The program spent $29 million in 2002, increased to $129 million in the following year. Cheney's task was to channel money to pre-screened groups, some of which were not identified publicly for fear of retaliations from extant governments they sought to undermine. For the budget year 2004, the project sought $145 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Cheney
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:26 PM
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30. Thank you very much
you are so kind.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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36. I'm sorry
You probaly didn't care. I didn't either.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:31 PM
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39. That sounds like it was submitted by
Cheney herself.

The bottom line is she has been the beneficiary of nepotism her entire professional career.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:32 PM
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43. LOL, it probaly was.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM
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23. evil DNA
is all I can figure
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:19 PM
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15. liz cheney is evil ..she'll
say anything to protect the evil dick.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:19 PM
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16. Liz?
You mean Miss Lesbian/porno writer thinks waterboarding is NOT torture? Not that there is a thing wrong with being a lesbian. There is a lot wrong with being Liz Cheney.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM
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25. You're thinking about Mary. n/t
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:25 PM
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28. And, Lynn...
Mary's the lesbian. Lynn writes lesbian porno, such as her "Sisters" novel.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:21 PM
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19. good
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM by d_b
let's try it on the c*nt then. Only we'll use stagnant piss.
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SamCooke Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:21 PM
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20. This woman is insane. "This wasn't torture becuz we do it to our own people"
Navy SEALS and other people can quit and go home whenever they want to, they choose to put themselves thru that torture. Its a difference. This woman is scary. My god, Dick sure can make them.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:24 PM
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27. Does she know why the Navy did it?
A Navy spokesman admitted use of the ‘water board’ torture . . . to ‘convince each trainee that he won’t be able to physically resist what an enemy would do to him.’ ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/magazine/09wwlnSafire-t.html?_r=1
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:21 PM
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22. Whora did a pretty good job with her
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:24 PM
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26. She needs to serve up some harder details when they come back to this.
I think she did pretty well, but the facts Liz Cheenee is spewing are so easily rebutted, she must get thrown to the mat on this one.

The fact that the ex-VP's daughter is out trying to defend her father's actions is a sad, sad state of affairs for the GOP.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:26 PM
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29. Norah got in that it IS considered torture and that there have been modern prosecutions.
I didn't think Liz was prepared for that one.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:30 PM
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37. Comment - one of Liz's points which is that by releasing the memos now they know exactly what to
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:30 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
expect - they being our enemies.

Previously our enemies thought we were a civilized country that adhered to Geneva conventions and renounced torture. Bush &Co pulled a fast one and said "Surprise! We're not civilized, no Geneva conventions and we do torture"

We will simply be going back to the time that yes, people knew to expect humane treatment, just as we would expect it for our POWs.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:31 PM
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40. She responded in the typical GOP manner and continued talking over the issues she wasn't
wanting to hear.

Slimey and rotten to the core.

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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:33 PM
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44. That's what newsfolk need to do whenever the "it's not torture" thing comes up
Point out that we did consider it torture when other countries did it in the past and that people were tried and executed after WW II for practicing it on captives.

I'd love to hear the spin to justify why it was wrong for others to do it but that we should get a pass when we subject people to it.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:36 PM
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47. We even prosecuted a US Sheriff and other officers for the use of waterboarding
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:35 PM
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46. sad state of affairs for the GOP
yes isn't that loverly?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:27 PM
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31. Ok, but what does Mary say?
:crazy:

Has Jenna Bush made a statement yet?
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:27 PM
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32. which draft deferment was liz?
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM by GreatCaesarsGhost
3, 4 or 5?
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:27 PM
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33. I went through SERE training,
They didn't water board me or anybody in my class, so Lizzy can't use that argument that they are doing the same thing to prisoners?
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:31 PM
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41. From what I know
Navy didn't use it since the 70's.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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34. Great Liz - then you won't mind if we waterboard you so you can prove your point
:grr:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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35. okay, nevermind.....if liz says so, you know it's the gospel
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:42 PM by spanone

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU GODDAMN CRIMINAL FUCKING MORON
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:32 PM
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42. She is so full of shit
They keep going back to the "terrorist" will learn to adjust to torture. Even people who know what to expect can't take it but only for a few seconds. Since she worked for Condi perhaps she will be in the same cell block with her. She seems to know what the memo's said so she should be on the stand. That's it Liz, just keep flapping the jaw. Yes the ends justify the means. Bullshit!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:35 PM
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45. She commented about memos showing successful results.
Has she seen them? Would she have the security clearance to see them? Is Daddy telling her classified info?
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:40 PM
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48. Excellent!! Now Lawrence O'Donnell is on saying that he wished he would'
been allowed on the air with her, but that like her father, Liz Cheenee will NEVER appear with someone who can rebut her points.

He says, "You get the sense that there is something very strange in the water at the Cheney home."

GO LAWRENCE!!!
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:51 PM
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51. Of course Liz is gonna protect daddy any way she can.
He's worth Kabillions after all the theft of the US Treasury through no bid contracts and illegal wars. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. After hearing her crap and the crap from Kit Bond earlier this is one DU'er who is more fired up than ever. I hope the rest of the progressive left is as upset as I am. We need that energy now more than ever to prosecute these bad guys. We need to do it for America and for the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's who have died due to Cheney and company's lies.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:53 PM
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52. Put her on the board next to Hannity.
:mad:
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:55 PM
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53. Perhaps for that social circle it's considered foreplay, not torture. nt
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:12 PM
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54. Who cares?
"Liz Cheney says intentionally shooting someone in the head and killing them is not murder" Oh well if Liz Cheney says it.... empty the prisons!
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:21 PM
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55. Really? Then waterboard the bitch. See if she changes her tune.
I can't stand these "people."

Regards
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