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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:16 PM
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Believe Me, It’s Torture


ere is the most chilling way I can find of stating the matter. Until recently, “waterboarding” was something that Americans did to other Americans. It was inflicted, and endured, by those members of the Special Forces who underwent the advanced form of training known as sere (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape). In these harsh exercises, brave men and women were introduced to the sorts of barbarism that they might expect to meet at the hands of a lawless foe who disregarded the Geneva Conventions. But it was something that Americans were being trained to resist, not to inflict.

Exploring this narrow but deep distinction, on a gorgeous day last May I found myself deep in the hill country of western North Carolina, preparing to be surprised by a team of extremely hardened veterans who had confronted their country’s enemies in highly arduous terrain all over the world. They knew about everything from unarmed combat to enhanced interrogation and, in exchange for anonymity, were going to show me as nearly as possible what real waterboarding might be like.

It goes without saying that I knew I could stop the process at any time, and that when it was all over I would be released into happy daylight rather than returned to a darkened cell. But it’s been well said that cowards die many times before their deaths, and it was difficult for me to completely forget the clause in the contract of indemnification that I had signed. This document (written by one who knew) stated revealingly:

“Water boarding” is a potentially dangerous activity in which the participant can receive serious and permanent (physical, emotional and psychological) injuries and even death, including injuries and death due to the respiratory and neurological systems of the body.

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This is because I had read that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, invariably referred to as the “mastermind” of the atrocities of September 11, 2001, had impressed his interrogators by holding out for upwards of two minutes before cracking. (By the way, this story is not confirmed. My North Carolina friends jeered at it. “Hell,” said one, “from what I heard they only washed his damn face before he babbled.”) But, hell, I thought in my turn, no Hitchens is going to do worse than that. Well, O.K., I admit I didn’t outdo him. And so then I said, with slightly more bravado than was justified, that I’d like to try it one more time. There was a paramedic present who checked my racing pulse and warned me about adrenaline rush. An interval was ordered, and then I felt the mask come down again. Steeling myself to remember what it had been like last time, and to learn from the previous panic attack, I fought down the first, and some of the second, wave of nausea and terror but soon found that I was an abject prisoner of my gag reflex. The interrogators would hardly have had time to ask me any questions, and I knew that I would quite readily have agreed to supply any answer. I still feel ashamed when I think about it. Also, in case it’s of interest, I have since woken up trying to push the bedcovers off my face, and if I do anything that makes me short of breath I find myself clawing at the air with a horrible sensation of smothering and claustrophobia. No doubt this will pass. As if detecting my misery and shame, one of my interrogators comfortingly said, “Any time is a long time when you’re breathing water.” I could have hugged him for saying so, and just then I was hit with a ghastly sense of the sadomasochistic dimension that underlies the relationship between the torturer and the tortured. I apply the Abraham Lincoln test for moral casuistry: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808 Video at link
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:18 PM
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1. No, no, no it's not!!! Can't you understand Hannity it's ENHANCED INTERROGATION!
:sarcasm:

Let me tell you...to even have this debate on what is torture or not...is disturbing in and of itself. People have questionable morality that this is even up for debate. I'm horrified that so many people are using it as a TP.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:20 PM
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2. Atleast people like Christopher Hitchens is willing to find out for himself
if it is torture rather then people like Hannity sitting comfortably behind a desk declaring it's not.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:48 PM
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5. Check it out: I hope someone calls him on it.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:58 PM
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6. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hannity mentioned we saved LA!!!!!!!!
2002!!!!!!!!!! We got Sheikh Mohammed in 2003 or 2004.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:16 PM
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7. LOL!! He's never been to good with numbers. n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:22 PM
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3. Hitchens has risen considerably in my estimation. He was willing to
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 03:23 PM by MasonJar
go all the way to find out...and he did...find out that is.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:23 PM
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4. k&r
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 03:24 PM by Starry Messenger
One of the clearest articles I've read on the subject. I read it last year. Hitchens at his best is very readable and when he writes about himself he's at his best. :D
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