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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:49 PM
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I Smell A Rove...
This sudden switch by Specter bothers me a bit. Is it possible Rove has figured out that he killed the Republican party, so now he's convinced Specter, and who knows how many others, to switch to the Democratic party, in order to attack the party from the inside, since attacking from the outside has failed so miserably? I wonder...

What a perfect way to take control of OUR party. If there are more "defections," I will be very nervous...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:51 PM
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1. Rove's overrated...badly. He ran their effort in 2006 and gave substantial advice in 2008.
They lost horribly. Their triumphs were short lived while their damage was lasting.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:54 PM
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11. Also, he lost in 2000. SCOTUS, Crooked Floridians, and Ralph Nader saved his ass.
He likely lost Ohio in 2004 as well.

He's a hopeless hack at best.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:51 PM
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2. no, this is not a Rove trap.
I'm sick of all the Rove paranoia. But I share your non-excitement about Specter as well, PA deserves an actual Democrat.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:51 PM
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3. no, this defection is all good news
Specter was facing defeat in a primary. If he wants to survive as a Senator, he'll have little choice but to adopt the Democratic platform wholeheartedly. I don't see any downside to this defection.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:51 PM
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4. Rove is a dickless, powerless nobody.
Reduced to being a second banana on Fox News.

You give him too much credit.

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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:55 PM
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12. Perhaps
But this shitbag literally took over the GOP, and he may be down, but until he is behind bars, I will not count him completely out...and this sort of move would not surprise me, coming from him...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:52 PM
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5. I Wouldn't Go That Complex
Specter sees the writing on the wall. He's burned his bridges by supporting the Obama plan. The GOP is toast. An ambitious guy has to move with the times (or the power).

This fixes Lieberman's wagon, too. Bet he's just livid about it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:53 PM
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6. I have news for you...
they've been inside "our" party for a generation now, and the attacks have never slowed for a second.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:53 PM
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7. The RNC wanted to get rid of Specter for awhile
Rove is smart but Specter ain't the right person to do it with - he's too much of a Wildcard.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:53 PM
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8. no
This is nothing more than the insanity that has seized control of the GOP has finally pushed a less to the right Republican to seek shelter in the sanity of the Democratic party.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:53 PM
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9. He did this right after starting the Swine Flu
to distract everyone from the torture memos.

He's amazing and underrated.

I hope he doesn't start another tsunami.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:54 PM
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10. I'm not sure about this move, but I am sure that it is not a Rovian trap. Rove is so overrated.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:56 PM
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13. so overrated. so so overrated. and i hate people that are shit getting credit
for what they are not
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:00 PM
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21. For God's sakes, his "Permanent Republican Majority" collapsed two years after
he "cemented it" in 2004. Why do we think he's anything but a hack who got lucky twice: in Florida, and on 9/11?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:56 PM
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14. Good Grief, Rove's one claim of fame is George W. Bush and he has the U.S. Supreme Court to thank
for that. Lots of people over the years have switched party. I'm sure Specter figured he had a better chance winning as a Democrat. Yes, he's a moderate, but he's also more liberal than most in the GOP. It's hard to believe that people like Specter and Jeffords (the last GOP to quit the GOP)will vote with democratic caucus so that they could change it from the inside. They just happen to be more liberal than there party.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:57 PM
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15. no way - take off that tin-foil hat
he lines up more closely with the D's than the failing R's.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:57 PM
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16. NO. I am tired of us giving Rove so much power.
It's important to keep an eye on the asshole cause you never know what he's capable of, but this really isn't anything he's orchestrating.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:58 PM
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17. I think you need your sniffer checked.
:D
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:58 PM
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18. We might have to limit the number of senators we allow to come over.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:59 PM
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silly stuff. this is purely for personal political advantage
Arlen knows he can't win the repuke primary. it's that simple. and rove isn't god. it's all so silly this overrating of that little toad. plus, there's no love lost between rove and snarlin'. that's hardly a secret.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:59 PM
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19. I think that just means you forgot to use soap down there in the shower. nt
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:00 PM
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20. In the inimitable words of a local Philly Sports Radio show host,
If you are that scared get a dog. Will Spector be a liberal? No. Will he be anything like a "progressive" in the mold of Bernie Sanders or Russ Feingold (my personal hero in the Senate)? No. But is WILL be the 60th Democratic vote, when Franken is finally seated. AND he supports the core of our moderate Democratic President's agenda. He wasn't lock step w/ the Republican's and he won't be lock step with the Democrats either --- but he is now on OUR Team. As such DU members need to support him as a matter of course, and call him when he strays. I know that is what I will do.

Don't spin Carl Rove into your paranoia that it couldn't possibly be true that the nation has swung to the Democratic agenda, and away from the increasingly crazy conservative agenda. Next thing you know, people will be giving credit to Steele for "moving the chess pieces around the board."


Be of good cheer! Thais is a GOOD thing. Really.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:06 PM
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Not likely.
Specter is not a very popular Republican. He's vulnerable in the primary--vulnerable to real Rove-type Republicans--and he knows it. He's trying to save his seat, so to speak.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:06 PM
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22. Maybe you just need to change your socks.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 02:07 PM by tekisui
No rove hear. This is a big loss for the turd's party.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:12 PM
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23. The SIMPLEST Answer is usually correct...
Specter wants to get re-elected...

He's as alienated from Republican Conservatives as he is from Democratic Progressives...

He knows he won't win a Republican Primary with the Republican base...

He knows the Democrats are in ascending and the Republicans are cratering...

Better to go with the winning team.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:52 PM
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24. I hope you are correct
Eight years of Bush have left me still jumpy...
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