My Pop: "Everything you've been talking about all these years, is all over the news."

On a phone conversation with my father, he was just amazed about how much of the news is full of information that I had told him about, years ago. Especially about the extreme measures used during the torture sessions. He's probably the most liberal in the family, and he still had his doubts. But, not any more.

What amazes me is that I'm so into other things, right now. This stuff is just like, yesterday's news. I have confidence that now that it's out there, if the US doesn't take the proper measures, the global theater, will.

Hopefully there are others.

I got outrage fatigue around 2007 and just started focusing on other things. Still followed and shook my head in amazement at the stuff Shrub and his buds were trying to get away with. I have had several family members come to me and tell me that they finally get what I was trying to tell them for the past 8+ years. I'd rather have had none of it happen than to finally be right after the fact.

That's cool that your pop acknowledged it, though. :)

We see, we report, we agitate. And now suddenly everyone else gets it too. It's hard to get used to being ahead of the curve, and the curve catching up to us. But it's a good thing!

At least, it felt incredibly long. But it is a good thing!

were so obvious trying to change the subject or use the patriotism reason for accepting what was going on. Now the same people are making me listen to them as they tell me things I have known since the start. Some people turn it all off. Others can't seem to go to any levels above the corporate level. They don't question motives. They go blank if you talk about 4.3 trillion missing from the DOD. They may listen for one minute about outsourcing. Finally, they are figuring things out for themselves.

I think the key is evolution. Evolution is going on all the time. And it's a very difficult precipice to be climbed to get to that point where you have to consent to believe in horrible things that this country has down. It's very hard. The truth stings and aches. And we haven't begun to learn about the bilderburgers, tri-laterals, secret societies, the cults, the money holders and hiders. None or very few of us know much about our controllers, our directors, the ones who thought they had winners with Bush the front guy and Cheney and Rumsfeld with the Fed Society guiding them. All of the barons were the source of the arrogance and we might not be free of them. It's our next challenge. To figure it out further.

I, like so many here on DU, have experienced the same thing...so many of the "conspiracy theories" that we have talked about for years have turned out to be conspiracy facts. So much of what the people around me are talking as startingly new revelations is just old news to me,...

"It's not a conspiracy - it's a perfectly planned, brilliantly executed takeover."

Thank you for that!

And "exquisitely orchestrated" works very smoothly also.

it because we no longer have the the braggart suits and ties in the WH. I forgot to delete the sig line or didn't complete a click. But, even though it is a new WH now, we all know who I had in mind for the last nine? years. All those years.

we kept the candles lit in a time of great darkness, and now that light is beginning to spread like fire.

that is a beautiful sentiment and is right on target. thank you for saying it so eloquently.

perhaps then I will be able to say more than just I hope

I mean, didn't you feel like that? It seemed so obvious, yet everyone would just get glazed eyes when you said anything.
A life long Republican actually switched after 5 years of having to listen to me blather on about
all the connections and predictions and co-incidences and esp. Attorneygate.

Now HE is telling me about Baxter Pharmaceuticals and avian flu vials and contracts for the swine flu vaccine, in a deep skeptical voice.

Ahhh...progress.
1 down, 30 million to go.

I'm referring to the push to get it all in the mainstream. We just wanted to believe if the mainstream media would just print those stories, this country would begin to see things our way. And once that happened, it would be easier to clean up what was corrupting this nation.

It's not based on politics as much as the fundamental beliefs that our country for all its warts is "the greatest country in the world". We've been taught this from the earliest age and for many of our older citizens that image was reinforced (especially if they lived during World War II) throughout most of their lives. We were the first to land a man on the moon, were ruled by a Constitution that guaranteed the rights of its citizens and a media that built in this morality into movies, TV shows and almost every other element of popular culture.

It's almost a natural reflex in many people to hear such ugly and criminal actions and want to deny it or blame it on a few bad apples. There's no way "our country" could do those things...or if they did, there must be a good reason. If you listen closely, this is really the debate that is going on...and the building anger is from those who now are seeing their core beliefs were betrayed. All more the reason for the complete disclosures of all memos and a full investigation into torture and illegal wiretapping. Without it, those beliefs will be hollow for the rest of us and those "moving forward".

My late mother would constantly comment on news items that affected her beliefs and say "how can people do such things"...een though she lived through the holocoust, to her last day she wanted to believe that all people were good. When a sensational murder would happen, she would say those things never happened when she was younger. I would always snicker..."they probably did, you just didn't see or hear about them".

In a "modern" "Civilized" world there is no place for acts of torture that were dreamed up in the Dark Ages.

"This aggression should not stand," G H W Bush

I do get annoyed when they finally catch up because by then it's old stuff to me. I get a little annoyed watching people get excited talking about something that they completely ignored when I was trying to knock it into their heads.

but no one has told me "you were right." No one has apologized.

So be it.

You need new friends and family, same as me.

We are the educated and informed. It needs saying again: We are the educated and informed. DU has been a place of 'higher learning'. So we have been edumacated above and beyond most of our friends and family.

Oh, one thing I have heard is that I should quit telling people "I told you so."
Bwahahaha!!!

:hi:

:D

....what I find very revealing is how the duped, the brainwashed, and the honest, full blown right-wing supporters are now taking many of the buzzwords they've heard used against bush/cheney, and applying it to Obama, or pretty much anyone they don't like.

It shows how they fail to grasp the actual meanings, intentions, and basic definitions of various political philosophies and systems of governance, and obviously 'think' that those of us who were likewise using them in re to bush/cheney were simply doing the same a la "bush bashing."

Auh...no