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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:09 AM
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for some reason I haven't realized that Newt Gingrich is a religionist


he was on Wash. Journal this a.m. talking his usual crap. what we have heard two trillion times.

and he opened by saying he had been to an affair in Va. about the first landing in Va.

he said that the first thing the people did was erect a cross. (said cross was the subject of the affair)

I don't know if that was the first thing they did. they would have to get their land legs back and take a pee, I would think.

anyway, Newt at a religious affair surprises me. but then I seldom pay attention to what he says.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:12 AM
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1. The Newt closely resembles a chameleon, in his ability to
be whatever the moment requires.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:14 AM
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3. aahh, I forgot that trait of his, thanks for the reminder
nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:20 AM
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5. More like the salamander he's named after...
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 11:24 AM by MineralMan
most often found under damp, slimy rocks.

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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:37 AM
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14. No need ot defame salamanders--Newt ranks far below them. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:14 AM
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2. He's counting on complete hypocrisy to make him president.
He really thinks he has a shot.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:25 AM
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9. Counting on hypocrisy, short memories, short attention spans, reactionary outrage
all coming from a base that is shrinking by the day.

I'd like to say there ain't no way, but you never know.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:57 AM
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17. The 'short memories' part concerns me
When he officially announces his candidacy, I expect an uncomfortably large percentage of the electorate to respond with, "Well, now, here's a fresh new face!!"
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:16 AM
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4. He probably burned the cross after setting it up.
He's whatever he thinks will get him the most money.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:21 AM
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6. He isn't. He's pretending to be one for a run in 2012.
It's the only way the base will support him. He's learned from McCain's mistake. He recently converted to Catholicism.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:21 AM
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7. He isn't. He's just playing to them.
Holding to the base.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:23 AM
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8. But surely you know he's an opportunist. And updating his word lists.
He knows language is a mechanism of control and that his dear GOP has pandered to the religious right and so he's now got to incorporate some religious references into his shtick.

He's come back into the media spotlight over the past few months, probably because the GOP has been floundering and he wants to shape some new arguments to rally the troops. That's how he has seemed to me-- testing, testing, testing. Seeking key phrases or themes to update the GOP propaganda effort.


Here's a link to his famous 1996 GOPAC Memo on "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control" with the word lists to help Republicans talk about themselves and their opponents.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm

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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:26 AM
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10. Remember he just became a Catholic about two weeks ago.
That annuls his previous marriages/affairs. I guess he thinks this clears him from criticism for past indiscretions in the presidential run he's imagining for himself.

This guy is a rattlesnake. Talk about Specter's political expediency! Gingrich is on another level.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:38 AM
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16. Oh, is that why he's conflating the VA settlers with the conquistadors? nt
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:26 AM
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11. Sort of funny, but I think Gingrich is inventing history again
Erecting the cross was not the first activity the colonists did. The first activity was a trial of John Smith for mutiny (he was acquited).

As for the cross, well, it was only there because Richard Hakluyt, who was extremely rich, was one of the major organizers of the expedition and insisted on sending it and a chaplain (Rev Hunt, who had just lost his congregation due to allegations of having an affair).

So, this was a case where it was forced down, not a case of people seeking religious freedom or anything like that. Forced, corporate sponsored religion, definitely something Gingrich's crowd would love to have happen.

The second colony of 1607 (up in Maine) did not have such a religious sponsor and thus did not have the cross.

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:32 AM
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13. thanks for some real history
nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:28 AM
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12. Newt has always been a RW hypocrite and philanderer. He is now trying to
recast himself as a Godly man and blble-believing Catholic, having recently converted. It's all claptrap. A leopard can't change its spots.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:37 AM
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15. Is that a synonym for lying, bloated hypocrite?
Which one of his wives converted him? Or was it maybe the lawyers who defended him for ethics violations? Or perhaps the Christian soldiers from whom he borrowed the money to pay his fine? I think he should take a permanent vow of silence. And stay out of politics as a service to God & country.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:14 PM
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18. Newt usually doesn't have affairs with crosses
He usually has affairs with younger women who work for him.
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