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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:43 PM
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Saw a Freeper-type bumper sticker on my lunch hour today.
It said, "Make welfare as tough to get as a building permit".

Ironically, the car had a handicapped plate on it, but I guess the driver doesn't think of SSI as welfare. How much you wanna bet this yahoo is/was a teabagger?
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:46 PM
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1. It is entirely possible
to be handicapped and not receive any form of financial assistance.

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:49 PM
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2. It's highly unlikely though
Edited on Fri May-01-09 03:50 PM by Tempest
Depending on the extent of the disability/handicap.

If they have a sticker, it's probably enough to get the assistance.

And it would be par for the course for someone on the right complain about welfare while receiving government assistance. I see it all the time.

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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:03 PM
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7. In order to qualify to receive disability paymens
someone age 31 or over must have worked and paid into social security for five of the ten years before their period of disability begins.

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10029.html#part2

All you have to be to not qalify for disability is long-term unemployed.

And if you own a car and a few personal assets you may find that your net worth is too high to qualify fr SSI benefits.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:21 PM
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12. There are state government benefits that have less regulations

And there's L&I benefits he may be receiving, which are outside of SSA.

And it may not be his/her car.

My neighbor has a sticker and no vehicle. He uses the sticker when he borrows my truck and another neighbor's car.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:38 PM
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16. Ummmm......
OP states:
"Ironically, the car had a handicapped plate on it, but I guess the driver doesn't think of SSI as welfare."

The implication of the OP's statement is that the driver was handicapped and as a result receiving SSI.

To receive SSI one must be a resident citizen who is either over 65 or blind or disabled and one must have both limited income and resources. SSI is supplemental to other benefits for which the person may be eligible. One can be full completely and permanently disabled and and not qualify to receive SSI.

Being disabled in and of itself does not qualify someone to receive disability.

Don't take my word for it. Google is your friend.

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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:20 PM
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21. I DON'T take you word for it.
I work in this field. You are spouting regulations without knowing the least bit about how they are applied. Stop embarassing yourself.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:17 PM
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22. Here you go
A link to SSI eligibilty information as provided and defined by the federal government. I'm betting in your job you have to work within their requirments. Maybe you should read them. I'll save you the trouble of actually doing a google search or following a link:

http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-eligibility-ussi.htm

Here's the direct quote from that government webpage:
"WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SSI?
Anyone who is:
aged (age 65 or older);
blind; or
disabled.

And, who:
has limited income; and
has limited resources; and
is a U.S. citizen or national, or in one of certain categories of aliens; and
is a resident of one of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, or the Northern Mariana Islands; and
is not absent from the country for a full calendar month or more than 30 consecutive days; and
applies for any other cash benefits or payments for which he or she may be eligible, e.g., pensions, Social Security; and
gives SSA permission to contact any financial institution and request any financial records that the financial institution may have about you; and
files an application; and
meets certain other requirements."

Being handicapped in and of itself does not automatcally qualify someone to receive SSI payments. There are limitations with respect to income and resources and residency and legal status and compliance with financial disclosure requirments among other things. Just being handicapped won't get anyone SSI money.

Nor does being physcally handicapped in and of itself automatically qualify someone to receive disability payments. The handicapped person must have previously been employed. And that emloyment must have encompassed a certain duration and be within a certain time proximity of the acquistion of the handicap. If one has not worked or not worked long enough or recently enough then they cannot get disability payments regardless of how permanently or profoundly disabled and handicapped they are.

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10029.html#part2

This government publication states:

"In general, to get disability benefits, you must meet two different earnings tests:

A “recent work” test based on your age at the time you became disabled; and
A “duration of work” test to show that you worked long enough under Social Security.
Certain blind workers have to meet only the “duration of work” test.

The table below, shows the rules for how much work you need for the “recent work” test based on your age when your disability began. The rules in this table are based on the calendar quarter in which you turned or will turn a certain age.

The calendar quarters are:

First Quarter: January 1 through March 31
Second Quarter: April 1 through June 30
Third Quarter: July 1 through September 30
Fourth Quarter: October 1 through December 31

Rules for work needed for the “recent work test”

If you become disabled... Then you generally need:

In or before the quarter you turn age 24 1.5 years of work during the three-year period ending with the quarter your disability began.

In the quarter after you turn age 24 but before the quarter you turn age 31 Work during half the time for the period beginning with the quarter after you turned 21 and ending with the quarter you became disabled.

Example: If you become disabled in the quarter you turned age 27, then you would need three years of work out of the six-year period ending with the quarter you became disabled.

In the quarter you turn age 31 or later Work during five years out of the 10-year period ending with the quarter your disability began."






By your own admission in this thread you judge by apearances. That means you choose to embrace the sterotypes and bigotry often associated with such uninformed judgments. I used to work in wealth management and I know more than one multi-millionaire that clothes himself/herself by shopping in consignment and thrift stores and who regularly drive their vehicles for a decade or more. Their appearance and lifestyle is such that you would not judge them wealthy based on appearances. You'd be wrong. I even know one multi-millionaire couple that buy thrift store discards for $1 per 55 gallon trashbag and regularly take and wear clothing from those bags. They consider it great entertainment. Apparently one mans trash is anotherman's treasure. I'm guessing they don't give a damn about impressing you. I don't either. Welcome to my ignore list.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:28 PM
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14. Actually SSI requirements allow for one personal vehicle.
I work with this sort of thing on a daily basis, so I know whereof I speak.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:46 PM
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18. And if the dsabled personlives with someone else
then a portion of that person's assets and/or incoe my be attributed toward determining the resource limits of the disabled person.

What is the resource limit? The limit for countable resources is $2,000 for an individual and $3,000 for a couple.

So the disabled person can have a vehicle - but not the resources to make a major repair to that vehicle.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:18 PM
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20. And quite frankly VERY FEW people are honest in declaring a cohabitants resources.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:49 PM
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3. handicapped plates allow people to park for free in some places...
Edited on Fri May-01-09 03:50 PM by dysfunctional press
which amounts to "financial assistance".

in evanston, where i used to live- they removed the parking meters from public parking spots designated for the handicapped.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:51 PM
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4. Not in California, it's not.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:57 PM
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5. Okay fine...
In Fayettenam, it takes half an hour to get a building permit, but it takes all day to go through Department of Social Services to apply for welfare. It also takes a hell of a lot more paperwork. If you can show up with a blueprint stamped by an architect, demonstrate that the project is permissible in the zone you're going to build in, have proof you are legally entitled to build on the land and show proof you have the financial means to complete the project, they'll issue you a building permit. We are a very builder-friendly city.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:02 PM
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6. I'm sure they would be disappointed about how easy it is to get a building permit
around here. I work for a contractor. We fax in the info needed to the Building Inspector and go down later to pick up the permit. They have it ready and waiting for us.

I know that people who apply for any kind of government program would love to have the ease of that kind of option.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:11 PM
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8. I saw one today I'd never seen before.
It was a big picture of Pelosi and it said, "If only cars ran on stupidity, Democrats would never have to worry about filling their tanks."

Wow.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:28 PM
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13. I'm seeing new stickers too - like
"Imagine no democrats" Isn't that brilliant?

And this one is rich coming from the Love It or Leave It crowd: "Your president stinks"

The good news is that I'm also seeing more and more Obama stickers!
I guess people feel safer putting them on their cars around here now.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:53 PM
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19. Why do they hate America?
They would be funny if their basest instincts weren't so violent. My Obama sticker is staying on until it falls off. :)
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:18 PM
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9. Having a "handicapped plate" doesn't necessarily mean you're on SSI
I worked for most of my adult life, despite having MS. I do use disabled parking and have a permit to do so. I mostly needed them to get near the hospitals I worked in. And I worked more than full-time -- no SSI for me.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:21 PM
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11. Perhaps. But judging from the rolling POS the sticker was on...
I highly doubt the driver had anything approaching gainful employment.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:19 PM
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10. Well, that would hurry the socialist/communist revolution along.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:33 PM
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15. BUt they still are taking some "benefit" because of their "special" status, even if it is only
access to reserved parking places.

Hypocrisy - thou art repuke.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:44 PM
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17. When OTHER people utilize
government services, its "welfare". When Freepers use it, they're "entitled", like they are the only hardworking people who paid into the system.
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