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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:02 PM
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Should Obama be criticized?
I think so - here's why:

single payer health insurance: no support
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/09

military commissions: change of position (not in a liberal way)
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/09/obama-to-git-mo-better-military-tribunals/

banks weasel - yet again - with Administration help
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/05/wsj-report-banks-negotiated-concessions.html

The prez is lots better than the Goopers - but still - Bill Clinton redux?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:03 PM
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1. Yes when it's deserved and because he can handle it.
I don't think he needs people fawning all over him and everything he does and says.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:48 PM
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24. I've gotten the impression that...
... few have so high an opinion... though I am still undecided if they haven't so high an opinion of Obama, or of his supporters, being able to face criticism.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:05 PM
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2. Yes, but only by our side
Because we want him to succeed and we are trying to help him.

But when the other side criticizes him, I consider that disloyal to the nation and un-American.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:06 PM
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3. 130 civilians killed in air strike in Afghanistan
angry villagers bringing two truckloads of body parts to Kabul to prove it happened.

Obama should respond to them and to us about this.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:11 PM
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4. Under Bush, DU would have decried this as a massacre.
Now? Barely a blip.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:22 PM
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11. Who did this - our side or the Taliban? I'm getting mixed reports.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:12 PM
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5. no.
if you are not for us, you are against us.

take it someplace else...
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:16 PM
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6. Dubya
sounds like you
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:17 PM
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7. wow - really?
you don't feel DUers can criticize a Dem President - how sad!
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:23 PM
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12. Also runs counter to Obama's solicitation of honest criticism.
But I guess what Obama wants doesn't count. Almost like some here feel like puppetmasters and he's the puppet.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:25 PM
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13. .
:rofl:


Sometimes honey doesn't work :)
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:31 PM
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18. its ok. most people don't get me...
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:37 PM
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22. I like your sense of humor
Heck, another poster copied you below. :)
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:52 PM
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25. Is that a George Bush Quote?
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/gen.attack.on.terror/

Ohh, my mistake.. just a paraphrasing...
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 05:45 AM
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28. Sounds like a quote from GW Bush
Edited on Sun May-10-09 05:47 AM by vssmith
on edit: Sorry LooseWilly I jumped in before I saw your post
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:20 PM
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8. We said we'd hold his feet to the fire when necessary
And the president has said he WANTS us to be involved and to challenge. Therefore, it's not disloyal and we aren't harming anything.

We need big events and big mobilizations to stand up to the right-wing pressure, or else the moment will be lost.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:20 PM
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9. Since he asked us to criticize him, like, duh, yes, obviously, we should.
n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:22 PM
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10. He's criticized every single day.
Where have you been?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:27 PM
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14. Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes.
We should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:29 PM
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15. .
:rofl:

It's good to have a sense of humor at times.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 11:01 PM
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26. .
:spray:

:hi: Thank you for the giggle Blue, now I can fall asleep with a smile :D
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 02:10 PM
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32. It's BRITANNY! (screams!) n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:31 PM
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16. Yes.
When he is wrong. Such as the bank bailouts and Afghanistan, i.e.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:31 PM
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17. Praise him when does right, criticize when he does wrong
Why do we even need to debate this? When we (meaning "the left") criticize him it's because we want him to do better. When the right criticizes him it's because they want him to fail.

FDR told activists "make me do it". I believe Obama is telling us the same thing.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:31 PM
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19. Don't forget the whole Polar Bears thing n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:33 PM
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20. Any President redux...
after all, I think we are still in the same country, with the same government. Criticism is a wonderful thing..unless it stems from ignorance.. then it's useless, if not harmful.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:35 PM
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21. I'd be concerned if nobody spoke up
Dogmatic agreement is a GOP trait. We are a diverse group, generally in agreement, but with different priorities. He'll move too slowly or in the wrong direction for some of us. If we speak up, maybe he'll hear us and adapt. Maybe not, but with Bush that wasn't even a consideration.

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:42 PM
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23. When needed and at times to put the spurs to him to press on with what is required
but at every possible, perceived, estimated, foreseen, and imaginable opportunity seems a bit much. So far most have done worse. I think he's a keeper.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 11:03 PM
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27. I agree
I think on balance, he'll get more of what we want done than Clinton did. The perfect president doesn't exist. I personally didn't like how his administration started with nominating people who didn't pay taxes, when getting the rich to pay their fair share was what I was looking forward to. I still think he'll get that done, hopefully this year.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 08:19 AM
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29. You can criticize whoever you want but don't expect everyone to always have the same opinion
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 08:28 AM
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30. Of course.
Why wouldn't a thinking person criticize a president when he is wrong?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 08:31 AM
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31. TR said:
"to announce that there should be no criticism of the President, or that we should stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only servile and unpatriotic, but it is also morally treasonable to the American public."
And Teddy was the President. He seems pretty clear in his opinion. He says trying to silence critics is servile and unpatriotic and such. I'm with him.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:19 PM
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33. Of course, when the criticism is deserved, as in the OP's examples.
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