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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 02:59 PM
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Marijuana: America's Number One Cash Crop (and it's going untaxed)
Based on a comparison with average production values of other crops from 2003 to 2005 marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. <23> Marijuana is the largest cash crop in Alaska, Alabama, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and West Virginia. (See Table 8 below.)

Domestic marijuana production often takes place in marginal areas not usually associated with agricultural production. In addition to indoor cultivation in trailers, closets, basements, and attics marijuana is grown outdoors along fence lines, in forests, on other public lands, in undeveloped rural countryside areas, and on other parts of private land generally inaccessible and unseen by the public.


Table 8. Thirty States Where Marijuana is One of the Top Three Cash Crops
Average Values 2003 – 2005; Production Values ($1000s)



Alaska-------------------------New Hampshire
Marijuana $129,223-------------Hay $16,163
Hay $6,820---------------------Marijuana $10,349
-------------------------------Apples $6,637

Alabama--------------------New Mexico
Marijuana $569,409---------Hay $173,963
Cottonp $198,393-----------Vegetables $98,525
Hay $120,262---------------Marijuana $41,226

Arizona------------------Nevada
Vegetables $778,779------Hay $161,868
Marijuana $274,590-------Marijuana $49,172
Hay $229,245-------------Vegetables $34,817

California----------------New York
Marijuana $13,848,267-----Hay $341,845
Vegetables $5,668,637-----Marijuana $329,565
Grapes $2,607,181---------Vegetables $311,832

Connecticut----------------Ohio
Marijuana $32,179----------Soybeans $1,165,908
Hay $20,517----------------Corn $1,004,106
Tobacco All $11,270--------Marijuana $457,316

Florida---------------------Oklahoma
Vegetables $1,289,360-------Wheat $522,918
All Oranges $1,046,646------Hay $334,511
Marijuana $593,802----------Marijuana $73,021

Georgia---------------------Oregon
Cotton $498,574-------------Marijuana $473,972
Marijuana $438,858----------Hay $346,751
Vegetables $421,748---------Wheat $195,018

Hawaii--------------------Rhode Island
Marijuana $3,819,383------Hay $3,101
Sugarcane $64,953---------Vegetables $2,902
Macadamia $40,125---------Marijuana $2,481

Illinois------------------South Carolina
Corn $4,062,034-----------Marijuana $142,434
Soybeans $2,728,190-------Tobacco $97,136
Marijuana $272,586--------Cotton $92,256

Indiana------------------Tennessee
Corn $1,813,064----------Marijuana $4,787,250
Soybeans $1,541,358------Soybeans $277,861
Marijuana $312,058-------Hay $252,365

Kentucky-----------------Utah
Marijuana $4,474,952-----Hay $220,251
Hay $421,036-------------Marijuana $29,020
Tobacco $410,551--------Wheat $23,630

Massachusetts---------------Virginia
Cranberries $51,016---------Hay $304,825
Hay $26,470-----------------Marijuana $191,822
Marijuana $20,396-----------Soybeans $106,684

Maine-----------------------Vermont
Marijuana $122,824----------Hay $49,294
Hay $32,726-----------------Marijuana $29,009
Apples $12,285--------------Apples $9,832

Michigan--------------------Washington
Corn $537,908---------------Apples $1,145,133
Soybeans $420,201-----------Marijuana $1,030,015
Marijuana $324,830 Wheat $507,220

North Carolina---------------West Virginia
Marijuana $672,253-----------Marijuana $494,328
Tobacco $539,872-------------Hay $63,905
Cotton $306,317--------------Corn $7,636

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/cashcrops.html



It's time for America to start collecting taxes on it's number 1 cash crop. Legalization, regulation & taxation of marijuana would help the economy and help fill the tax coffers, not to mention the millions or billions saved on the phony, failed "war on drugs".




Peace,

Ghost

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:01 PM
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1. wow, Where are all those mellow people then? more maryjane around than apples?
Mybe if it were legalized homicides would go way down....
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:41 PM
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12. They're in their houses, being mellow....
:-)

Legalization would certainly cut down on crime rates and some gang activity, though I don't recall ever knowing a raging homicidal pothead before....


Peace,

Ghost

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:01 PM
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2. I've been saying this for 20 years
I did a report on it in High School got an A too..

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:43 PM
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13. I've been advocating legalization for over 30 years.. since I was 16 years old
why do you think they call it "High" School?? :rofl:


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Ghost

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:02 PM
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3. k&r! nt
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:44 PM
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14. Thanks, wildbill!
:hi:


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Ghost

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:13 PM
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4. Legal tobbaco and illegal pot is a crock
Cigarettes are the "gateway" drug that they claim pot is. Pot became the gateway to doing illegal drugs simply because that's where they put the gate. Pot was lumped in with harmful drugs like cocaine, heroin, and meth for political reasons, as we all know, and this has made for a messy legalization process even if all parties agreed to do it. Pot is smuggled by the same syndicates that bring us the dangerous drugs I mentioned. I don't claim to know what will happen, but I'm sure it won't be a smooth transition.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:16 PM
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5. +1
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:52 PM
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15. Yes, it's a crock alright...
"Pot is smuggled by the same syndicates that bring us the dangerous drugs I mentioned. I don't claim to know what will happen, but I'm sure it won't be a smooth transition."

As you can see by the US cash crops, not *all* of it is smuggled through by syndicates. I'm sure the smugglers that bring in marijuana from other countries would still operate, though they would be doing so legitimately now. More money could be collected through importation fees.

I think the transition would go pretty smoothly. When you factor in what the growers pay the smugglers to get their product here, along with the losses they take on confiscated loads, it would be much cheaper to pay import fees/taxes.


Peace,

Ghost

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:13 PM
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20. Maybe I'm thinking regionally
I live near San Antonio, where pot and coke come in from Mexico. The cartels will still use intimidation against competition even if pot is legal. Plus the law enforcement here will fight legalization to the end, further entrenching the status quo.

I agree that areas with home grown sources will face a less messy legalization process.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:17 PM
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6. Goes to show just how stupid this country is.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:53 PM
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17. I agree... it's time to wise up a little bit, huh? n/t
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:17 PM
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7. You can't tax a something that grows like a weed
Legalizing pot is the right thing to do.

But legal pot means cheap pot, nearly free pot. The stuff would grow like a weed in a ditch.

The gov't would have precious little to tax, but the savings in law enforcement dollars would be quite substantial.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:30 PM
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8. Ditchweed will still be ditchweed
Good pot must be grown with care. I bet people will still pay for quality even when it's legal.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:34 PM
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10. Wouldn't hurt for a bunch more of us to get in touch with our green thumbs either.
We could turn it into a permaculture revolution.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:53 PM
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16. Just like wine n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:01 PM
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18. Yes you can....
To set up the taxation properly, they would have to implement a Marijuana Tax Stamp which each person would have to purchase to buy, sell, grow or even possess any amount of marijuana. They could regulate the industry just like they do with alcohol and tobacco.


"But legal pot means cheap pot, nearly free pot. The stuff would grow like a weed in a ditch."

I really don't think the prices would drop all that dramatically. People who grow their own to sell aren't selling any cheaper than those who smuggle it in. As a matter of fact, most "commercial weed" sells cheaper than the high grade homegrown.


Peace,

Ghost

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:18 PM
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44. Companies convince people to buy bottled water that comes from the same tap
at their home.

Plenty of people would be more than happy to pay so that other people can do the dirty work.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:32 PM
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9. As soon as it's legal, prices will drop.
I just did a quick search and pot prices seem to be several thousand dollars per pound.

How much does a pound of apples cost? A few dollars?

Right now, the cost of growing pot is very small compared to the cost of getting caught. Remove that second cost and I'm sure the price of pot will go way down, as would any potential tax revenues.

Not that I'm against legalizing, because it will save us money on enforcement, but don't think the tax revenues from pot will do much to save the economy.

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:12 PM
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19. See post #18...
Also, I think some of the "street values" are highly inflated, for prosecution of tax fraud charges on dealers. Marijuana around here goes for $900-$1200/lb

Peace,

Ghost

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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:34 PM
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24. $1000/lb is still very expensive.
...considering that most produce costs only a few dollars per pound

Is marijuana hundreds of times more difficult to grow?


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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:40 PM
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11. Looks like the Arkansas bud is still a well kept secret.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:26 PM
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23. Y'all need to quit bogartin' that bud, maaannn
:hi:


Peace,

Ghost

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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:16 PM
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21. Couldn't agree more. K&R.
Edited on Sun May-10-09 04:17 PM by 20score
I did a post on this that referenced a study by Jeffrey A. Miron, Department of Economics, Harvard University, which states:

This report examines the budgetary implications of legalizing drugs.
• The report estimates that legalizing drugs would save roughly $44.1 billion per year in
government expenditure on enforcement of prohibition. $30.3 billion of this savings
would accrue to state and local governments, while $13.8 billion would accrue to the
federal government. Approximately $12.9 billion of the savings would results from
legalization of marijuana, $19.3 billion from legalization of cocaine and heroin, and
$11.6 from legalization of other drugs.
• The report also estimates that drug legalization would yield tax revenue of $32.7 billion
annually, assuming legal drugs are taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and
tobacco. Approximately $6.7 of this revenue would result from legalization of
marijuana, $22.5 billion from legalization of cocaine and heroin, and $3.5 from
legalization of other drugs.

That's a lot of money. Plus, then we would be moving more toward that whole, 'freedom' thing.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:39 PM
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25. Thank you, 20score..
That's an excellent report, from what I can read....

People also forget about how it would reduce the overall crime rate in this Country. You want to look "tough on crime"? Change the draconian drug laws....


Peace,

Ghost

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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:19 PM
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22. We should legalize growing weed in our yards instead of grass
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:43 PM
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28. Think of the cut down on emissions from lawn mowers that would create!
Save the ozone, grow marijuana!!


Peace,

Ghost

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:41 PM
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26. Seriously, no one should trust us with a lunch check.
We're complete fools about money.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 08:58 PM
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36. We would have had another civil war if Prohibition hadn't been repealed
It's just plain out stupid to keep marijuana illegal and untaxed

:hi:


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 01:34 AM
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52. Did you know that Chicago once dumped a mayor for closing the beerhalls on Sunday?
German immigrants took citizenship oaths in droves to get rid of the righteous ass who took away the one day a week they were free to get sloshed.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:42 PM
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27. Value of entire retail...
...marijuana crop comes in at $15 billion - retail, not farmgate, and some of that is imported, per Abt Associates, a Cambridge, MA think-tank that's been studying this for decades.

The figure for California alone given above is $14 billion.

Someone's lying off by an order of magnitude.

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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 05:48 PM
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31. "Street Value" vs actual retail price? n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:01 PM
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37. Thanks for the links...
I still believe they inflate the "street value" to go after dealers for tax fraud...


Peace,

Ghost

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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 10:11 PM
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45. The best reasons to legalize...
...aren't a fiscal one.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 05:07 PM
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29. K & R
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:02 PM
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38. Thank you!
:hi:

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 05:29 PM
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30. Proud to be K & R number twelve. n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:03 PM
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39. Thanks, truedelphi! n/t
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 05:57 PM
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32. Here's a letter to the editor by a legalization advocate called Gatewood
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:04 PM
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40. Great post, I K&R'ed it!
:hi:

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 10:37 PM
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47. Thank you.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 06:03 PM
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33. agree completely.
legalize now.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:06 PM
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41. Welcome to DU, endless october... n/t
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 11:48 PM
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51. thanks! glad to be here.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 07:32 PM
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34. Not to mention that massive munchie attacks will keep grocery stores going.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:07 PM
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42. LOL! yep... and Taco Bell drive thru would be open 24 hours
:hi:


Peace,

Ghost

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 08:44 PM
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35. Does it make sense to Imprison someone for 30 years.....
..For possession of something that grows up between the cracks in the sidewalk? How much hard prison time for possession of a seed?


How much alcohol does John Boehner or Tom Delay consume? Who monitors this?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:10 PM
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43. It makes absolutely no sense at all, does it?
Thanks for caring, lib2DaBone...

Alcohol is wayyyyyyyy worse than marijuana, imho..


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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 01:40 PM
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56. And that goes double or triple
For folks with many very common health issues - diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, liver disfunction, cross-reaction to medication.
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 10:16 PM
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46. wow! It's amazing that our govt won't take advantage of this, they can see the numbers
There would be a whole lotta smokin going on....
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 11:42 PM
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49. Oops. fixed on second try.
Edited on Sun May-10-09 11:43 PM by Davis_X_Machina
Hit 'post' not edit.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 11:42 PM
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50. The numbers aren't that compelling...
Edited on Sun May-10-09 11:43 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...see #27 above for links -- and they are a lousy reason to change the policy -- justice, equity, and common sense, not $$$.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 11:03 PM
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48. K&R
:kick:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 05:41 AM
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53. I was surprised that hay was mentioned more often than wheat, corn and soybeans
Whassup with that? The marijuana numvers are unsurprising.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 06:10 AM
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54. K&R
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 06:39 AM
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55. Rather than legalize and tax, I
would prefer to see all laws pertaining to the growing and selling of marijuana abolished. But, if pot is legalized the price drop would have a negative effect on the economy. The value would plummet.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 01:57 PM
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57. I think the headline is misleading
I did not look at the link but dollar-wise more pot is sold than corn? I have a hard time seeing that.

Then again I am in a corn-intensive state.

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