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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:30 PM
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Death or Life in Prison for Steven Green's crimes in Iraq? (RIP Abeer, etc)
He was found guilty on all charges last week and now the jury is listening to debates over whether the penalty should be life in prison or death. I am against the death penalty, since it is too easy to put on someone wrongly accused.

However. There is NO doubt whether or not Green did what he was accused of and found guilty of.

Premeditated raping, murdering, desecration by burning to cover up the evidence.

I am torn though. Death is retribution and so final. Life in prison is also retribution, but final is a long time away.

What say you, DUers?


This is an interesting blog post on it, coming up with a different conclusion, death.

http://blogs.chron.com/polimom/2009/05/the_penalty_for_mahmoudiya_sho.html
There were so many horrible stories out of Iraq -- savage, unspeakable atrocities that rolled across the national consciousness over the course of the war. Back here in the US, we read reports on our laptops or watched the news from the comfort of our living rooms, and passed judgment on events occurring in our names on the other side of the planet. Safely esconced in a technological vacuum, Americans argued and wrangled with the morality of violence and war.

I suspect everyone has a specific event from the Iraq war that stands out in their minds. For me, though, there was really only one that resisted every form of intellectual or empathetic gymnastics: Mahmoudiya.

Do you remember? That was where, in March 2006, an Iraqi family was murdered; where a 14-year-old girl was raped repeatedly, then shot, and her body set on fire. It was not a checkpoint shooting, or an interrogation, or a street confrontation. It was a premeditated violation of everything civilized. (clip)

Green was found guilty last week -- utterly unsurprising, since not even his defense attorneys are asserting he didn't do it -- and today, the sentencing phase starts. His lawyers will now try to mitigate his actions. They'll emphasize his 'personality disorder', and they'll try to present this atrocity within the context of war.
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:38 PM
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1. Life. And why was he not tried in Iraq? Are their laws too unlawsy? nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:42 PM
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3. Because he was caught here, USA citizen, wasn't extradited?
or maybe because he is a USA citizen and did this as USA military?

al Janabi relatives want him put to death
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 04:08 PM
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8. Not True - Brenner and Immunity from Iraqi Laws
As a matter of fact. the military was granted full and unconditional immunity from being prosecuted by Iraq for any and all crimes that they cared to commit while nation building while serving the US and/or committing crimes in Iraq. Because creating a sovereign country means that limitations to that sovereignty needs to be put in place when the power that is in place in the US is so very corrupt.
One of the first scams don4e by Bush after starting the war.
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:40 PM
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2. I know this may sound barbaric....but let's study his brain..
while he is still alive. We need to know what makes this human a killer.


Tikki
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:43 PM
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4. Life - without the possibility of parole.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 05:42 PM
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13. I'm with you- murder is wrong- there are very few absolutes
in my world- this is one of them.

The premeditated killing by choice of another human being cannot be stopped, prevented, or redeemed by doing it ourselves, as a society.

NO parole- no state sanctioned murder.


I'm glad Abeer's death and the death of her family was not swept under the rug.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:46 PM
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5. Death by public hanging
nt
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:49 PM
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6. Life, no parole...
...the death penalty would be too easy for him anyway. Instead, he will get to live out a lot of years with no freedom whatsoever, and know that he did it to himself. Personally, I find that much more satisfying than frying his ass, even though I certainly do understand the impulse.

We should always remember, though, that a death penalty also makes someone else into a killer. Whether state sanctioned or not, killing is still killing. It's one reason why having a military is such a dicey proposition. Not to mention CIA black ops, and the like: some people who do state sponsored killing are hurt or destroyed by it, and others acquire a taste for it. Personally, I feel that the less state sanctioned killing, the better.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 03:04 PM
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7. I thought I was against the death penalty...
Edited on Mon May-11-09 03:05 PM by liberalmuse
but not for war criminals. I'm against it in this country (and other countries) because of the extreme prejudice with which it is used, however, if someone commits a war crime as atrocious as the Nazi's, the Bush/Cheney cabal, or Steven Green, they need to be put to death, IMO.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 06:20 PM
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14. Dont forget LBJ in your list of war criminals deserving death
for their actions.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 04:10 PM
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9. Life, w/o the poss of parole.
I cannot think of a worse punishment than to be locked up with and like an animal.

JMHO
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 04:12 PM
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10. Green from Midland. - GWB's hometown Appropriately Ironic - nt
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 04:36 PM
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11. life,
death is easy.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 05:16 PM
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12. Life with no chance of parole
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