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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:37 AM Original message |
** HEARING Senate Judiciary - Lawyers Who Approved TORTURE ***#3 |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. Graham says, "There's only two of us, if you want to continue..." |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R-thanks! Graham still spinning that torture yielded results |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
31. That's because he's up to his ass in alligators and now he's |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. Graham had better not poundthis guy |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I am not able to watch this, and this guy sounds very credible. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
4. K&R Tossing more shoes |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. I think there is information out there that EIT HAVE resulted in good info |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Yeah, Lindsey, where is it? Soufan's just called bullshit on that claim in a specific instance. nt |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. School of the Americas Manuals Index (from SOA Watch) |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. he is always involved isn't he?? |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yep |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
8. He is trying to teach sofan about Geneva convention |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'd like to smack everyone who votes to put Graham in office |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. The Geneva Convention is NOT a good fit for this conflict..."unlike any war |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Graham said this? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
12. K & R ! |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
13. So Graham enjoys witnessing interrogations |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. WOW. Graham just dropped a big ole quarter on other countries |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
15. Every other nation except us consider Al Qaida as a police action |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. ergo no common article 3 |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
19. lindsey thinks torture is ok cause 'we're at war'...so did the japanese in ww2 lindsey |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #19 |
59. Somebody should ask him when the 'war' vote was. The Constitution says that only the Congress can |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
20. ah think wurr at war |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
21. Where did the other Democrats go?? |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. any votes going on? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
23. Everyone does realize that Graham admitted to viewing detainee interrogations right? |
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Blaze Diem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
24. Graham : What an ass! I have to mute that lying, condescending p.o.s. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. don't you wish they try those enhanced techniques on those who support it? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
25. Whitehouse : division was between the experience and inexperience |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
27. Soufan saying the detainees had to be outsmarted, not out muscled |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. well doesn' t that statement tell all, the bush regime just bullied and killed people. |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
28. Nice Catch .. where the fuck did PRIVATE contractors get involved in interrogations |
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Graybeard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Once again "private contractors" working outside the law. |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:58 AM Original message |
I remember cheney having invested in private jails .. wonder if has an 'investment' here as well. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
30. Durbin up |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Great demeanor on Durbin.... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
34. When Congress was breifed.. needs chronologies.. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
36. Durbin has been very very very frustrated by not being able |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
37. Zelikow re closing down Gitmo - good idea |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
38. Who is arguing to maintain it (Bush & Obama BOTH wanted it closed) |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
39. Gitmo as symbol.... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
40. Durbin: "Supermax prisons are up to the job". . |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
41. Graham re recidivism rate post-Gitmo. . Zelikow says "dozens" |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Oh, and the bullshit comment from Graham: |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
42. It's about damn time sombody said "We already house some |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
106. I undrstand the FEAR that existed, and how much that fear influenced |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
43. Zelikow is actually hitting back at Graham's question pretty well... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
44. WHAT IF IT WERE YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER?? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Graham is a horse's ass |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. What a joke this guy Graham is!!! |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Has that POS Graham ever reproduced? |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. when all logical arguments fail ....go for the emotional reaction !! |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
49. Turner and Graham were birthed from the same pile of shit |
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Graybeard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. They are like a tag-team patting each other on the fannies. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
51. Whoever said Turner was Federalist Society.. I think you're right. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
52. Torturing people is treating them better? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. LIAR! Waterboarding has always been torture |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
53. What about all the people that were innocent of any connections that were systemically tortured? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
54. Bottom line: Is it a WAR or ISN"T it? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. No war. Never was a legal 'Declaration of War' from Congress. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
56. In 2002, it wasn't clear if waterboarding was torture or not |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Republicans are REALLY beginning to feel the heat on this issue .. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
57. Graham is a collaborator in torture and the cover-up. |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Oh Sargeant at Arms ! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
58. Graham is muddying the waters here... snake in the grass... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
62. Whitehouse firing on all cylinders now... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. OMG....that chart of the legal opinion... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
65. Whitehouse asking Luban: "the Lee decision" waterboarding=torture |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. What total horseshit that torture becomes something less than torture... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
67. A question? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. He's the acting, ranking member.. he has to be there, I think |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I think you are correct... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. IMO.... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
68. It is impossible for Congress, BY STATUTE to override the Constitution.. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
71. "Torture at Abu Ghraib Followed CIA's Manual" by Alfred W. McCoy |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
73. "Would it be torture to put a spider in a cell with someone who was afraid of spiders? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. It would if he believed the spider was deadly |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. It would be torture.. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
76. Graham's argument is now that if you championed torture that doesn't |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. pretty much |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. What a POS.... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
77. someone punch Graham in the face now please |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. No kidding. What a putz. nt |
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Graybeard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Graham is interrupting every answer. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #85 |
95. He must be real proud of himself for trying to justify this. His |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
78. Graham is such an ass n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
83. Whitehouse should tell Graham to stop badgering the witness |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. yep |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
84. "He broke in 35 seconds.." |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. That did give me pause.... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Right! |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
87. Graham is trying (and some what succeeding) in making the hearing a joke :-( |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
88. Graham admitted to witnessing interrogations of "terrorist" suspects |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Graham: people have been torturing for 500 years and it works |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
89. Graham is propping Cheney up against Soufan's eyewitness testimony |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. that is INFURIATING |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. I got so enraged .. I turned it off... |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
93. Graham supports and defends torture so of course he would support a president |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
96. Whitehouse closing with statement by Matthew Alexander. |
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Graybeard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. "We can use intellect and ingenuity" rather than torture. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
98. One thing I learned..GRAHAM LIKES TO WATCH |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Yep! He admitted it |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
99. Graham just can't stop lying |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
102. There's that bullshit argument again |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Whatever it is .. I stopped watching .... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Incarceration is the same as torture? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. He brought up Roosevelt again as an excuse for torture |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. If you torture detainees you aren't a war criminal...you were just afraid |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #108 |
124. the big bad repukes, they kept us safe, they was so afraid - there |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
103. Graham ends by putting it back on Pelosi. n/t |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. I hope a crazy pitbill grabs Grahams Balls |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #103 |
116. Yeah, right.... Pelosi a member of the minority party at that time... |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
107. please make this stop! |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Now that the chairman has gone, there seems to be no time limit. n/t |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Senator Whitehouse should not have trusted him by leaving |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
110. RAW DESPERATION! n/t |
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whyzayker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #110 |
122. So that's it?! |
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
113. My God, this guy is a JAG? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
114. Torture is illegal. Period. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
115. Graham would have made a great Nazi |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Indeed he would have |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Is there some opinion that the POS is not a Nazi? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. True |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
126. he certainly looks like one, put a khaki uniform on him! |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
118. Hecklers in action ..glad that they held out until the meeting was over |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
119. Great job, annabanana, L. Coyote, et. al. Thanks! n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
121. Graham filibustering the end of this meeting... UNPLUG THE MIC |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
127. thanks anna and L coyote. |
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cpompilo (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
128. Graham was talking out of both sides of his mouth. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
129. Well, now we know where the flight Mr. Whitehouse had to catch was going... |
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