DU Pilots - simulation of flt 3407 crash near Buffalo

Muttocracy

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Wed May-13-09 03:17 PM
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DU Pilots - simulation of flt 3407 crash near Buffalo

I know there are a lot of pilots at DU. Buffalo News has lots of information here http://www.buffalonews.com/532

and an animation from NTSB here (turned my stomach to watch as I was on a nearly identical plane, nearly identical route that same time - everything happens very suddenly when things go wrong :( )
popup window from http://www.buffalonews.com/101/index.html#

sorry if this is old news

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uppityperson

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Wed May-13-09 03:47 PM
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1. Whoah. Stall, spin, turn, drop. This was the plane that dropped flat,

between a couple houses, right? Makes sense how they did that. Makes my stomach hurt

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Canuckistanian

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Wed May-13-09 07:47 PM
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5. Looks like he pulled up sharply after he heard the stall alert

He almost pulled out of it but had no airspeed left. What a boneheaded move.

Just goes to show you that these kind of conditions

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Muttocracy

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Wed May-13-09 08:19 PM
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7. fell on a single house actually, killing the dad, mom and daughter survived. nt

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Poll_Blind

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Wed May-13-09 04:11 PM
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2. Holy crap, wtf happened to cause that? I've read NTSB transcripts before where...

...the last words are basically something like "Yeah, everything's going fine." followed by "Shit." ten seconds later then crash, but damn...

What caused that? I'm not a pilot but it also looked like when his airspeed dropped he pulled back on the stick. My non-pilot self would have thought to push forward a bit, dip the nose and gain airspeed. It even looked like his controls got reversed or something for a sec or so and then seemed to work near the very end but it was too late.

Anyone?

PB

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Poll_Blind

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Wed May-13-09 04:18 PM
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3. Weird. I guess my instinct was basically right: "Experts say pilots' reaction doomed Flight 3407"

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/669795.html

Seriously, that's strange. I mean pretty much anyone who's even played a video game with airplanes has to get used to that kind of control system. What a terrible tragedy. And, again, how really weird that that's what his reaction would be.

PB

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Fire1

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Wed May-13-09 04:33 PM
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4. I guess it didn't help that this guy wasn't the sharpest knife in

the drawer.

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bridgit

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Wed May-13-09 07:58 PM
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6. Good Grief! Those poor people. Dude looked like he was attempting to thread...

a Mobius strip a couple times

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lib2DaBone

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Wed May-13-09 08:22 PM
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8. He let his approach speed drop below 166 Knots....

Edited on Wed May-13-09 09:19 PM by lib2DaBone

.. They said he dropped 60 knots in a few seconds. His power settings were waaaay too low.

The 1st officer commented about the amount of ice on the nose and wings.... (oh shit). She said.. "Do you want me to raise gear and cancel flaps?"

I don't think he had time to respond. He was acting like he was on a final on a nice balmy day in summer... with CAVU-VFR. You can't mess with mother nature.

I've heard that the Dash-8 is a very unpredictable aircraft. The weight and balance issues are well known.

Still... he HAD to know he was off his glide slope? No? Well, I guess by then it was too late.. it only take a few seconds...

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Muttocracy

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Wed May-13-09 08:26 PM
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9. I didn't read all the documents, but they were chatting and distracted before the simulation time

so I guess they were already going too slow. On the right directional course, but too slow so they stalled? And then between his pulling the stick the wrong way in panic and them being too closed to the ground, couldn't recover?
:(

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