Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision he makes.

We should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.

:P

Are the meds still working?

who will leak the photos, this nightmare needs to end right now! As long as torture by Americans exists and there is no accountability, we are a nation on the side of the babarians.

You shouldnt disagree with the president during a war! What are you? French?

You had me there for a second, until I remembered that quote... I recommend the sarcasm taggie for the ones who'd forgotten her quote

Ya know ya gotta bring enough for all of us....:evilgrin:

We have brains for a reason.

For the first time, this week, he made a decision that shocked and disappointed me. As much as I love Obama, I can't pretend I agree with his decision this week.

That would be hypocritical of me. Because when that piece of shit Bush made the same decision, I despised him for making it.

EDIT: I appreciate that you are being facetious. I understand that. Your point is well taken and I agree with you.

You old roister doister!!! :toast:

By the way, you were supposed to leave my vacation pictures alone. x(

:D



How are you Forkboy? :hug: Long time no see... I'm on the southside of the globe and loving it! :toast:

:P

:D

Somewhere just now, a republican zookeepers head just exploded! :rofl:

They are way smarter than we are. They probably could beat some of us in chess too.

We should just have faith that whatever they do is for our own good.

you forgot the "sarcasm" thingy...again...

:D

Conspiratorial Wink (detail) by Michael Samuels.



Oh..! Ha! Bluebear! I got ya.

Nobody .. especially not a public official..
should be given carte blanche to do whatever
they want.

We already had eight years of that with Bush..

that Glen Greenwald asks ..

Glen Greenwald's question to people defending Obama's position on torture photos http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/13/photo...

"...(5) For all of you defend-Obama-at-all-cost cheerleaders who are about to descend into my comment section and other online venues to explain how Obama did the right thing because of National Security, I have this question: if you actually want to argue that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do, then you must have been criticizing Obama when, two weeks ago, he announced that he would release them. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that you don't have any actual beliefs other than: "I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it." So for those arguing today that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do: were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?"


...As Judge Hellerstein wrote in rejecting the Bush argument -- now the Obama argument -- that disclosure would jeopradize the troops: "the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed."

You should post that in its own thread.

thanks for the link flyarm.

"I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it".....'were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?'

That question by Greenwald is spot on as are you, it is a very good one.

I agree you should make this a post of it's own.

Alyce

He does have info to work with that we don't but surely that doesn't mean anything, huh?

Show me someone who has agreed with him on everything?

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of a teddy bear in another thread. Next I guess we'll get the pony picture.

(Who said that?!)

Buttressed against his likely desire for a second term, I'm not concerned yet.

:sarcasm:

that we now have a president who is smarter than me, and likely smarter than most of us . . . I believe he truly wants to do the right thing in every issue area, but he realizes that some things are going to take longer than others . . . one does not engage the forces of the status quo in battle lightly . . .

take healthcare, for instance . . . I actually believe that Obama believes in a universal single payer system, but knows that there's no way it will pass this time around . . . better to have a public option in addition to the current system, and go for the whole ball of wax when experience proves that the savings from such a mixed system will be negligible . . . yes, we'll have to do it all over again -- but with new evidence that ONLY universal single payer makes sense . . . I think that's probably how Obama sees it, and of necessity he's willing to make this into a two-part campaign -- get what he can now, and go for the rest later . . .

:thumbsup:

Great invention!

I guess that's the goal.

I trust him to be a politician looking towards the next election and doing whatever he thinks necessary to win it.

Has better advisers than us and all he wants to do is the right thing.

In fact, he even knows better than us what is good for us.

What could possibly go wrong?

For starters.

Cutesey, but pointless.

Unless the only point is to get a bunch of attention & agreement from like-minded folks.

I guess that's productive, somehow.

:hi:

you're not the boss of me! :P

Have fun, oh deep thinker.

Oh well... no big loss I guess.

It's ironic and kinda sad, cause I also would rather the photos were released.

However, the OP is using that quote to to imply that that is the sentiment that anyone who disagrees with them about the torture photos feels about Obama.

It's insulting and ridiculous.

There are posters saying that we should trust that Obama has some unkown strategy that involves doing what appears to be wrong for some eventual good, so we shouldn't call him wrong now. That, to me, is as preposterous as what the OP is spoofing. I understand hoping the President has big plans, but how many things have we heard this "chess player" rationale about now, and have any of these master plans ever emerged?

As a member of the whiny pissant community, that's what I think we should do.

Because I trust Obama to do the right thing here. It's a case of being careful about what you wish for. You don't know what's in those photos or the ramifications of making them public. None of us know. I'll take my chances by trusting in the person I voted for rather than going for the unknown all because it appeases some blogger with who-knows-what motives.

Love,

Some blogger

a problem.

"trust the President".

And the alternative to trusting someone you don't know would be to inform yourself and reason it out on your own. You might still agree with Obama but at least you'd know why and wouldn't be forced to rely on an act of faith.

trust or distrust the president. I choose to trust. I'm certainly not going to get up in arms about it because some blogger (who doesn't know what they're talking about) gets riled up.

is not a reason to trust the president.

/clarity

ramifications of releasing them, nor does anyone else blogging here, self included. I chose to trust that Obama is making the best decision for me by not releasing them and you chose to distrust him for not releasing them.

We just disagree.

that it is my responsibility to know for myself.

not the other way around!..I never vote for representation to give away my responsibility as a "we the people"..i am the boss of representation!.I pay their salaries..and i expect them to do the damn job i sent them to do.

Which is it for you defenders of Obama refusing to give the court the photo's of torture???????

Glen Greenwald's question to people defending Obama's position on torture photos http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/13/photo ...

"...(5) For all of you defend-Obama-at-all-cost cheerleaders who are about to descend into my comment section and other online venues to explain how Obama did the right thing because of National Security, I have this question: if you actually want to argue that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do, then you must have been criticizing Obama when, two weeks ago, he announced that he would release them. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that you don't have any actual beliefs other than: "I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it." So for those arguing today that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do: were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?"


...As Judge Hellerstein wrote in rejecting the Bush argument -- now the Obama argument -- that disclosure would jeopradize the troops: "the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed."


edit to add:I did not hire Obama to circumvent my constitutional rights as an American or the laws of our land and courts and to circumvent our constitution..by refusing this court order he is breaking our laws..and if he continues, he is then complcit in the crimes against our nation and he will have abdicated his oath of office and should be removed from office!

You are saying that you trust this one politician, and then falsely characterize others as not trusting this one politician.

What the others are saying is that trust in any politician is no substitute for open government and an informed public.

You then say that the public should not demand that they be informed, because they don't know everything. So, they should not be informed because they are not informed.


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before a decision is made or nothing would ever get done.

Since we don't know what the government is doing, therefore they know better than us, so they should not let us know what they are doing, therefore I trust them.



...

:thumbsup:

:D

War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery!

Oops - I got carried away.... ;)

The only people I completely trust are my BF and my Mom. My dad doesn't even make the list.

President Obama is going to have to keep stepping up to the plate.

I trust most of the moves he makes mostly because I support them then there are choices that stink badly. I will criticize or support where I see fit.

Why would I trust anyone else in every thing?

Call me old fashioned, but where and when I came from, trust is NEVER given.

Simply having a badge, gun, title or position matters not - even for the POTUS.



Trust is earned.

Everyone will have to make up his or her own mind whether they trust Obama in every decision he makes, and why or why not.