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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:32 PM Original message |
It's a tough call but I agree with the President on the photos. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Excuses. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Fucking A - I've never seen so many DU'er make excuses for Obama - what if it were Bush |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. In my case, I'm not making excuses. I simply |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Well, we do like Obama more.. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
56. I can think of a reason. I disagreed with their release as soon as I heard |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. That is a good reason. Not good enough though, I don't think. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. I disagree with the TORTURE - the world needs to know what we did |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
99. So, you would feel better |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Yes. Let the judge and jury see them. nt |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
82. If the worst thing Bush did in his 8 years was not release some photos... |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:48 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. It's not just that he's now "pulling a Bush" and censoring photos - it's the LACK OF ANY INVESTIGAT |
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masuki bance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. You must have agreed when Bush made the exact same argument. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. support Obama |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The Repos said the exact same thing about bush, but I know you can't see that. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I will |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. You misunderstan. I'm putting your blind loyalty on the same level as the Repos blind loyalty. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. 100 days |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I voted for him and I'd vote for him again. still, he told us he would make some bad decisions. And |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
88. I haven't seen any whining at all on this issue |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Why would you say that? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. I'm really starting to have my doubts about the Cheney is scared theory. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
83. If the worst thing Bush had done was not release some photos... |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. To quote another poster, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. "National Security" is the new excuse for both doing terrible things, and refusing to be accountable |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. People think there is a secret plan. They don't believe Obama when he says "What you see is what |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree. To think that he honestly changed his mind on this |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Thank you. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Except he's leaving our troops in harms way. As he's protecting them at the same time. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Is it really that simple? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Politically in this country it would be brutal. Still, it would protect the troops from harm a lot |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. You are correct! See Robert Greenwald's "Rethink Afghanistan" here: |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
92. So we should give the troops no protection at all? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Have you been drinking? I wrote what I meant. You can quote me. But don't go making stuff up. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
90. I agree! |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
12. I don't agree with President Obama's decision. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
13. So morality and the rule of law only apply when it's convenient, eh? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Your point is well taken but... |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. You are mischaracterizing justice as vindictiveness |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. If someone robs a bank and you follow him to his hideout....? |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. If it appears that the robber is turning over the loot to Mr. Big, you betcha! n/t |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. So you want to catch Mr. Big ? |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. You are moving the goal posts |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. How divisive would it be? |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. One party supports torture? I can't believe it. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Rufus, let me say that I agree with your ideals... |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. You have cornfused me... |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #72 |
97. I agree. Sounds pretty Orwellian to me. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. This is a political issue moreso than about justice & accountability... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I think that's fair. We humans jump to conclusions a lot. Still, I think the photos should be |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
38. That's such a ridiculous analogy. Logic-wise, you're well into FReeper territory. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Perhaps... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. You know every american should be forced to bear witness |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. that was very well said, and very compassionate as well. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. So two weeks ago you also agreed with him that we needed to release them |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Maybe I am wrong? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Each citizen has to decide Kentuk |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. I assume Iraqis already know what was done to them. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Exactly, Swamp Rat. We are behaving like toddlers who cover their eyes and cry |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. It's unconscionable, insidious, making Americans fear for the lives of their |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. SWAMPIE, we love you and missed you |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. oi nadinbrzezinski! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Cool enjoy |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. It's great to see you back Swamp Rat- and I really hate |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. I was not referring to Obama at all. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
54. EXACTLY right |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
93. hey swampy you're back!! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
29. It's not a tough call, and you're WRONG. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Is that a fact ? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. That's TWO facts, actually. Do try to keep up. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
58. I am so honored. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
42. If the President was going to release them, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Here is where you are wrong |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
63. I think Nadia said it well. I elected a representative and you elected a leader. Your |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
49. obama has been and continues to be an obstructionist |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
50. The definition of a tragedy is |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. And paying reparations for going to war on false pretenses is exactly wrong |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. I agree. It's a tragic situation |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. No and reparations will come |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. If I could, I would give the Iraqis all the gold in Fort Knox |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. My stepfather worked with Iraquis in Baghdad as an engineer |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
59. I'm an American, I can handle the truth |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
61. I will defer to his judgement |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. There is a time and place to release the photos... |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. Obama goes to Egypt soon, the pics would dampen the mood. 2. His Generals recommended the stop, fear |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I agree, opihimoimoi... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
71. Bullshit. I think he has seen for himself how horrific the stuff is. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Not plain and simple, unfortunately. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. No, there are many intricacies to be considered. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. 'Infinite shades of gray' is a euphemism. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. No, that was BEFORE the flip-flop. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. You're right, that ACLU memo is outdated. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:21 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I don't understand how Obama can jerk their chain like this. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I will readily agree that no single perspective can perceive the whole of an occasion. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
91. SAME as it ever was ... |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
77. I know that Dick and Bush agree with yiou 100% n/t |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:12 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. I wouldn't be so quick to say Dick agrees with that 100% |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
84. Honestly I think he wants the truth to come out but not in the near future |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
94. We elected him |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
95. No tough call at all... |
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