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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:09 AM
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What should be our number one talking point about the photos
What horrors did Bush/Cheney and company commit? How heinous were there crimes that just exposing them to the light of day would spell disaster?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:10 AM
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1. That courts will decide and that Obama will respect their decision
Because if he doesn't then we are right back into another Constitutional crisis.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:43 AM
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7. Gee, I thought the court had already decided that the photos
needed to be released.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:55 AM
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9. Actually, you bring up a good point. A court did decide.
For Obama NOT to release the pictures he would have had to file an appeal. I'm assuming he did. Did he?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:00 AM
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13. It was an appeals court which said they had to release the photos
since Bushco had already fought and lost court cases on the same grounds.

The news stories say they are "considering appealing" to the SC.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:03 AM
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16. oh. bad.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:14 AM
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2. That torture is fundamentally and inherently wrong.
That a country that allows torture and does
nothing about it is itself sick and rotten
to the core.

That transparency and accountability .. a
return to the rule of law and human rights
conventions.. is the only answer.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:34 AM
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6. so Spain is sick and rotten to the core?
How about France? How about the dozens of other countries post Nuremberg that have done nothing about their histories of torture and murder? Are that all rotten to the core? That's just a wee bit simplistic.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:14 AM
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3. Most of us have already seen a lot of horrible photos.
We have also read the news. My mind is made up and I know how to vote for the right person. Now it is up to the courts to punish the guilty. I do not see any need for more photos for the general public.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:21 AM
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4. My own talking point is...
...do I want to stand with Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, and Darth Cheney?

Simple choice ~~ if they are on one side, I am on the other.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:31 AM
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5. That's the sort of talking point that is helpful to the GOP
Edited on Thu May-14-09 09:55 AM by NJmaverick
because it seems you have been distracted from the real crime that was committed
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:00 AM
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14. It is Step One to me...
...if they are one side, I am on the other.

The next step is to investigate WHY they are lined up as they are. In the case of in particular Cheney, it is always an evil reason. In this particular case, IMO, it is because he committed war crimes. No doubt in my mind that he is the ultimate source of the torture policy.

Not a distraction at all...but rather it highlights why we must NEVER join forces with the evil ones.

JMHO
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:45 AM
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8. President Obama stood up to the left-wing of his Party...
Edited on Thu May-14-09 09:45 AM by kentuck
and did what he thought was right for the country and our soldiers. Politically, that would be the best talking point. :-)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:57 AM
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10. but what about the crimes?
the pictures show criminal actions. We are being distracted from those crimes by talking about the pictures of the crimes.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:02 AM
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15. It would only focus on other involvements in the crimes....
rather than Cheney and Bush and the present focus. It would be a great maneuver for the Republicans.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:58 AM
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11. that obama is being a good little corporacratic stepin fetchit...
:grr:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:59 AM
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12. yeah focus on Obama instead of the torture and other crimes committed
at least that is what the GOP wants you to do.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:35 AM
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18. obama is the one that's wavered under pressure from his masters...
it would be a lot easier to focus the argument in the public arena on the 'torture and other crimes committed' if the photos were released.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:37 AM
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19. usally that sort of talk is what I hear from right wingers
odd to hear a Democrat or liberal talking like that. Obama has masters?:tinfoilhat:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:49 AM
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21. if you think he doesn't, that's fine...
i wish that i could live in a happy little bubble of contentment too :shrug:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:14 PM
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22. It must be tough living a life with secret societies
and boogie men behind every tree and under every bed. Worry about the super collider destroying the universe. Facing the risk of UFO abduction....
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:27 PM
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23. i would imagine that it would be.
Edited on Thu May-14-09 12:28 PM by dysfunctional press
for me, the plutocratic power brokers that work in plain sight are problematic enough.

i just wish that i had a pair of emerald slippers that i could tap together and take me to oz, & the happy land of blissful ignorance that so much of the electorate seems content to reside in...:shrug:
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:13 AM
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17. If they release the number of prisoners that died during interrogation...
that, alone, will show the extent they were willing to go to torture. We don't need photos. By not releasing them, the normal person's imagination will fill in the blanks.

Just sayin'.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:45 AM
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20. You know what gets me?
Your entire premise with this has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of help or assistance to the people who were actually hurt by this policy. You couldn't give a fuck about them. It's all about Bush and Cheney. That is why nobody outside of the political intertubes gives two shits about your point. The people who were injured are completely ancilliary to the main point, which is to punish your political rivals.
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