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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:04 PM
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Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
Edited on Thu May-14-09 06:07 PM by nadinbrzezinski
are its only safe repositories...

Thomas Jefferson

discuss
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:11 PM
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1. Means we all need to get off our asses and show them what we want.
Moaning, groaning and writing ain't doin'it. I really wish all those people in D.C. for the inauguration had cheered and clapped one day and showed up the next with a sign that said: "Now, Troops Home, Healthcare for all, Social Help for people/ not welfare for rich bankers." That may have gotten everyone's attention.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:17 PM
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3. I called, but yes, it will not do a damn tinkers of a difference
until we all go for a national strike, not talk about, just do it. That will get their attention in a jiffy... and then another, and another and another.

But hey... what can I say Idol is on... :sarcasm:
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:16 PM
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2. Isolation, Depression, Fear, Anxiety, Insomnia, Weariness and simply being overwhelmed,
Edited on Thu May-14-09 06:16 PM by Mike 03
in my very subjective opinion, are making it harder and harder to play a role in the substance, efficacy and purpose of our own government.

I'm just speaking for myself. But at some point life can become so overwhelming, as so many people here know and have attested to.

What do you do when you can just barely function to keep yourself and your family alive?

Excellent question, and I look forward to the contributions of others here.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:19 PM
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4. Well you should know the phone people at the white house
are either well trained to ahem agree, or they have been hearing a butt load of people complaint and gripe...

Yep, did my job today and called them... demanded trials, release of photos single payer. Yep, the lady said that especially older people were calling about Nuremberg and transparency.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:23 PM
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Congratulations to you for making that effort to call them
That is awesome.

As you know, I'm in total agreement with you on these points.

I wish I had your faith in the future. I admire you so much. Keep up the good work.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:26 PM
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9. I have no faith in the future... or for that matter in this country
I don't believe we, as a nation, will survive my generation... period.

We are broken and rotten to the core. Watching countdown... more proof of how rotten we are.

But I do that because I owe that to the victims I once interviewed, from torture and the fifty relatives of mine who went up a chimney at a place called treblynka Chiefly I owe it to myself...

But will it make a tinkers damn of difference? I wish it would, but I don't believe it will.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:41 PM
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10. Plus there is so much stuff to clean up
Edited on Thu May-14-09 06:42 PM by RandomThoughts
It does feel like alot needs to be done, really gives meaning to multitasking.

In no particular order, and just from what I am thinking about.

Jobs
Health care, including single payer.
Union issues
Foreclosures
Credit card protection
Solutions to extremism
Outsourcing
Big Oil
Education, including arts and college availability.
Infrastructure
Monopolies
Alternative energy to get off foreign oil
Prison Complex Solutions
Rights for all groups of Americans
Media Issues
Contractor abuse in Military support
Reestablishment of law.
Prosecutions
Poverty and lack of jobs in many areas
Homelessness
Veteran health and support
Banking
Primary Challenges
Election Machine Reform
Tax corruption
Ending the wars
Diplomatic solutions in many places
Securing information exchange freedom for Internet
Maintaining citizen mobilization
Insuring thought over slogan in public forum
Technical advancements
Releasing wrongly prosecuted people.
Death penalty
Family security and education to reduce abortions.
While still having to stop or flip all the cabals trying to make problems.


I am sure there are more things, not currently thinking about

There does seem to be alot of multi-tasking to be done. Lots of work for those people we elect to get done.

As far as having so much things to do in life, some of the stress and lack of time is part of a strategy

There are two groups of thought on what to do when a populist movement grows, one is to satisfy them with small gestures, the other is to keep them so busy and worried they don't have time to think or get anything done. It is actually written down, and repeated that keeping the average people busy is a way to help keep them from looking at what is going on.

Luckily alls I want to do is travel and visit museums.
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:20 PM
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5. The Leaders Will Continue To Ignore the Will of the People
Until we wrest the power away from them.

Singular protests will not work. Only through revolution and revision will we be able to assume control of our destinies.

Until the next group of leaders excommunicate themselves from the people....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:22 PM
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6. Well we do need one, a the tree of liberty and all that
but I should also say that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance... and we have failed, this generation has failed in the vigilance part.
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:23 PM
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7. This Generation Is As Disinterested In Governance
As the government is in representative democracy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:24 PM
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8. Ain't that the truth.....
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