Call the GOP bluff... I say we have to be willing to throw Pelosi under the bus

Let the torture investigation go where it may.

If there's proof Nancy was complicit? Then I have no problem throwing her under the bus with the Bush administration folks.


She became speaker in January of 2007. At that time, she had the power to start congressional investigations.


The GOP is trying to obsfucate by throwing up the Pelosi screen.... call their bluff. Say.. "Fine. Let's investigate her too. EVERYONE who was complicit."



If we're going to really push this thing... then we have to be willing to go where the facts take us. If Nancy's innocent, she's innocent. But let's not be afraid to find out.



Otherwise... the GOP is RIGHT when they say this is politically motivated. If we're honest about this, TRULY honest, then Nancy deserves no protection just because she has a D by her name.


And if we're not willing to find out the facts and throw Nancy aside if the facts warrant it... then we should drop the whole bloody thing - because then it really *IS* nothing but a case of "political revenge".

Skinner for allowing this to continue.

It is fucked up beyond belief.

How so many DU'ers can be such tools is beyond me.

I'm confident that BushCo would be found guilty.

To be consistent... I'm willing to say that... if Pelosi was complicit in ANY way, then prosecute her as well. If she wasn't, then she'll be fine.

But we have to be willing to see.

TOLD about something, is NOT on the same level as masterminding and orchestrating and implementing the deed. Time to put the focus back where it belongs--the criminal GOP.

I'm saying we have to be openly WILLING to investigate everyone.


I'm confident that Nancy had no knowledge that these things were going on. But let's let an investigation PROVE that.

of perpetrators that needs to be investigated--while I don't care if she goes down for a clear wrongdoing on her part, I know that she's just a massive red herring to deflect attention away from the criminals.

approving something

like cause maybe your on the intelligence committee or something.

It's like these sunshine DU patriots are reading The Rove Daily Mountain Spin; this right-wing tack is cheap & disgusting and part of the reason why g.w. bush sat in there for 8 fucking years cause the opposition, us, couldn't find a way around the snarling, smirking, snarky-ass carnivore with bloody teeth scamming the towers ashes ashes all fall down

It's one thing to know your enemy, it's another when they know you inside & out. It's like being played like a scratchy old fiddle. When the room gets silent, they reach over and pluck a string and so to they perpetuating these GOP tactics I say congrat'z!

Right? :shrug:

rounds up every bastard involved, I have NO PROBLEM if it includes dems. FUCK ANYONE who may have had a part of this. TRUTH OUT! NOW!

Let's investigate this thoroughly.

Everyone knows I'm no big fan of Pelosi, but I don't want her being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion for something that she didn't do.

I'm confident that she was NOT complicit.


But I'm saying we have to be willing to find out. It means we have the moral high ground.

I am not a big fan either. But I do think she needs to clear her name. As it stands with her-it is I did not, yes you did game.

If she's telling the truth, that will come out. Investigate the whole thing, torture, war lies, deaths, all of it. I am so sick of the rot in our government and a large portion of it comes right out of the CIA. Let's get to the bottom of it and clean it out, once and for all.

I wonder what Cheney will think about a reprimand Pelosi gets (or is completely vindicated) when his cell door goes 'clink'.



More proof positive that the Republicans are stuck on stupid.

Pelosi has been backed up by Bob Graham. I believe Bob Graham. Certainly before I beleive BOEHNER.

The tactics of the Republicans are transparent -- blame others for what you yourself are guilty.

If any Dem is "complicit" then yes they should go down. That goes without saying.

He has the notes to prove what he says.

If they REALLY gave a shit, then why wouldn't they agree to finding the truth?

They don't want that - they just want to hang a prominent Dem to take the spotlight off the REAL war criminals and torturers.

People need to quit being yanked around by the lying repukes.

Did you support Pelosi before the Rethugs started blaming her?

Or were you willing to throw her under the bus a long time ago?

Before you answer keep in mind I am good at using the search function here.

Don

I'm pretty indifferent on Pelosi and I doubt I've said much about her at all in the past.


I'm actually pretty confident that she's done nothing wrong here.


That's why I think it would be great if SHE called their bluff and said.. "fine! investigate me too!"

indicted, tried and hopefully found guilty.



Whomever knew what was going on i.e. torture should be removed from office.

I don't care if they have a R or D next to their names.


Supposedly this country is a nation of laws. :eyes:

anything beyond the simple fact that she'd been briefed by the CIA. It was win/win for BushCo because Pelosi could neither confirm or deny any specifics.

Now that everyone is demanding answers, the CIA is either going to have to come clean or risk allying with the Republics in a pointless cover-up. After the Plame debacle, I can't imagine that cooperation with the Republics is at the top of the CIA's to-do list. Then again, under a permanent NeoCon, fascist regime, the CIA would flourish and grow. Under the Dems it is, at best, a necessary evil which requires stricter oversight then it's had for a couple of decades.

Given that Bob Graham has already confirmed that staffers were present at the actual meetings (as opposed to the imaginary meetings on the CIA's schedule), sensitive topics such as "enhanced interrogation", rendition and secret prisons could NOT have been discussed. Additionally, until (if ever) a single ranking (R) admits they were, in fact, briefed on torture and, by extension, are as complicit as they wish U.S. to believe Speaker Pelosi is, we need to put the torches and pitchforks back in the cupboard.

If the Speaker were to come out tomorrow and state flatly that she demands a full investigation, the Republics and the M$M would fly into an immediate frenzy. However, she should, at the very least, wait until after the Sunday talk shows are over and the additional exposure has allowed her opposition an opportunity to gather a few hundred more yards of rope with which to hang themselves.

I am the last person to get in line to be a Pelosi fan, but this focus on her is completely ridiculous.

Since when did speculations about someone's knowledge of a crime outweigh consideration of accumulating evidence of that crime being committed? The fuckers who planned and executed this crime are the ones who need to be investigated and prosecuted. If Nancy takes some shame away from that, then so be it, but to talk of her being "complicit" is ridiculous.

The Bushies never put her in a position where she could actually do anything about it. Yes, she should have demanded that the full Intelligence Committee be briefed, so that Congress could exercise its constitutional role of oversight, but keep in mind that these briefings were political stunts, with some staged near the first anniversary of 9/11, when any resistance would have been played in the media as unpatriotic.

There was a good oped in the LA times a couple days back describing how the Bushies circumvented the process of giving Congress anywhere near enough information to practice oversight.

It's only a matter of time.

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this woman who has been a complete failure and sell-out. She's been a horrible Speaker of the House and never missed a chance to alienate her liberal base.

Let's have a real investigation into the torture programs. The guilty should be prosecuted, regardless of party. I would think anyone with a clean record would support the idea.