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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:21 PM
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Can A New Search Engine Outdo Google? (Wolfram Alpha)
Source: NPR

Is there anything Google can't do? The creators of Wolfram Alpha think so. The new search engine is slated for release this month. Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of Search Engine Land, explains how Wolfram Alpha works. (Audio for this story will be available at approx. 6:00 p.m. ET)

Read more: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104183251



This New Search Engine is scheduled for release tonight. According to the NPR broadcast it is expected to crash often until the kinks are out.

Here is a "tutorial" showing the potential. This is from Wolfram'Alpha's Site
http://www.wolframalpha.com/screencast/introducingwolframalpha.html

Here is the Search Engine once it is operational.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/index.html

:hi:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:24 PM
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1. Every couple of years a new better-than-Google search engine comes out.
They always fail to measure up. I can remember all the way back to when Dogpile was going to knock Google from first place.
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:36 PM
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4. I think "Outdo Google" is just an attention grabber
Best I can tell, the engine seems more targeted toward possible solutions rather than merely amounts of keywords.

There will be times when the engine has no answer. Google ALWAYS has an answer. (whether it's correct or not)

:)
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:56 PM
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21. hey ...when it figures out what to do with "input.." ....let me know
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:28 PM
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2. If I typed "who should I vote for".
Which politician would it tell me to vote for?

Get the point...

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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:33 PM
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3. Once the radio brodcast is available.. they addressed that
The engine is attempting to avoid subjective searches. The example they used was, "who is the best actor?" or close.

I see it as a possible tool for research rather than a one search solves all sort of thing.

The tutorial shows "the look" of results if you give it a shot.

:)
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:37 PM
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5. I predict it will die in obscurity
I just watched the demo. I'll try it, but since it doesn't tell you the source of the information, how could one trust its output?
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:57 PM
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7. There is a source link on bottom n/t
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Aslanspal Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:46 PM
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6. I think academia will love it
It is like having and answer man when it comes to math...i mean complex math.

Researchers will love it as well best of luck ..they will be pressed to put all the bells and whistles to it that just makes it a theme park.
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:58 PM
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8. Indeed!
I like the fact that it seems to be pulling info from existing databases.

We'll see.

:)
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:12 PM
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9. NPR: Audio is of story is available
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:14 PM
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10. I don't know - was Wolfram Alpha created by the firm
Wolfram Hart?

The Senior Partners do have extensive resources.
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:21 PM
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12. I have yet to hear that name
The Wolfram part of the company is Stephen Wolfram the developer of "Mathmatica."

http://www.wolfram.com/

What ever that is ;)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:27 PM
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14. well, that's a relief. nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 10:59 PM
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18. Mathematica is areal time computational software
Alpha is like a superficial version of that. It's a beast, but you need to be pretty math-oriented to get the use out of it. If you're interested in things like graphing polynomial functions, you'll love it. If that makes no sense whatsoever to you, then neither will the software.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:39 PM
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15. Yea, I was thinking about that also.
especially with some of the comments in that show.

I do have to say, that show is loaded with views of certain things. It comes from a few different perspectives, but even in that, it has interesting views.

Some of the dialog really exposes two of the sides in philosophical ideological arguments.

Here is a really good quote during a fight scene.

Angel: "People like you will never understand those who care."
Bad Conduit at Wolframhart: "yea but we won't care"

Can you see how this can define some of the biggest sides in certain parts of society.

I think that show spoke about alot of good parts of character, however it exposes people to traps based on interpretations of metaphors. Nothing is all good or all bad. And I think the writers and producers did fight the good fight, and also got kicked around a bit too. But again that depends on interpretation.

A lot of people just assume its evil, but flip a few symbols, or realize the message may be different then the intended one, and things get really interesting. For example, (note I do not believe in animal representations for groups of people, so I am not supporting the usage, but dog is usually soldier, or another meaning some of you know of.) But what is cool is, Illyria if you add an n is Illyrian a breed of sheep dog, which is a Shepard...

Now I do not know if its associations were intended, or if it is because of certain systems of belief. But when you flip the idea of Illyria being bad, to Illyria being good, alot can be understood.

Its like that in much of TV, violence anger and bad imagery of good things, but just flip the symbol and it tells a different story. And that is the story I found in lots of other places. While playing the part of the character, Amy Ackers also used a head tilt common in canines further supporting the idea that the name similarity was not coincidental.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 11:16 PM
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19. Put the bong down...step away from the keyboard...
...and take a break from the internets.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:20 PM
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11. That thing is different than a search engine
It is supposed to compute answers. Google doesn't do that, outside of simple math or unit conversions. The Wolfram site will have its applications but when I am searching for something outside of a factoid or calculation (99% of my searches), I think Google is still going to win that race.

I recall "Cuil" was the last "Google Killer" and that turned out to be another PR hype.
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:23 PM
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13. I agree
I see it as a cool tool for computations/comparisons from data that I'd imagine being in a spreadsheet.

:)
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 09:57 PM
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16. Come play! It's up!!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 10:57 PM
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17. I don't know why everyone in the media keeps comapring it to google
lazy journalism, I suppose. wolfram aren't trying to compete with google, and ineed have nice things to say about the latter. Alpha is something quite different. I have been beta testing it and am pretty impressed - but it's a different kind of tool, and it takes time to learn to use it. Leastways, it took me several days to get used to what it does before i started using it in ager rather than experimenting.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 11:22 PM
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20. I think it's going to be great for certain things....
but general knowledge maybe not so good. I've spent a few minutes playing around with it and it's pretty interesting.

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