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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:40 PM
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Here's a Thought: How About Erasing the U.S.-Canada Border?
Here's a thought - how about erasing the Canada-U.S. border?
A book by Toronto journalist John Ibbitson suggests we're overdue for a North American environmental, economic and security accord

BY BARBARA YAFFE, VANCOUVER SUN

A new book is challenging Canadians to consider the benefits of a radical scenario: Erasing the Canada-U.S. border.

That's right. The two nations would retain their distinct sovereignty but there would be no more passports or work visas.

The continent would see a free flow of goods, services and people; common rules for immigration and refugees; joint inspection of shipping containers from abroad; an integrated terrorist watch list; a system of security enforcement around the perimeter of the continent.

<snip>

It's a fanciful idea, advanced in Open and Shut; Why America has Barack Obama and Canada has Stephen Harper.

Ibbitson describes his book as a political pamphlet directed to inspiring conversation about a transformed relationship between the two countries. And it's sure to do that.

Link.


I'm sure some people here - not just the U.S., but on DU - may dislike the idea. And to be sure, the author, as the article describes, has an agenda that many here would disagree with. For example, he praises the American political system as being more dynamic (frankly, I think the parliamentary system has much to recommend for itself), and he's a big proponent of charter schools (which many on DU oppose).

But overall, I think the idea of U.S.-Canada travel being like the Schengen Zone in Europe - open borders, free movement of people and goods. It would do wonders for the economies of areas like Michigan and Upstate NY.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:45 PM
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1. Canada would do well to recognize that America is going to become its Mexico
as resources dwindle over the next two decades.

And Americans tend to take what they want and don't care who they take it from.
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:48 PM
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2. Would be nice to see a Schengen-type agreement for North America...
... could be expanded more to the Americas.

I fear it would be more difficult as far as the US is concerned when it comes to free movement of people because of healthcare. It works well in Europe because all countries concerned have a national health care service with reciprocal arrangements in each country. Canada might not want a massive influx of sick US citizens flooding across its borders saying "I live here now. Treat me!"

If there is a way to standardize certain features of our respective countries social security & welfare systems then it would work quite well.

Mark.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:50 PM
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3. Don't know where this is at now!
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:56 PM
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4. What about our health care?
Don't want it privatized.

In the old days crossing the border was no problem. Now I'm sure I must be on the "no fly" list for having written a furious letter to GWB when he lived in the White House. And I'm still very careful what I say on the phone to my son who lives in Texas.

Let's wait and see before we get too cosy.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:15 PM
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5. I like it. That way I don't have to buy those stupid cards for my family members
who might want to go to PEI but will never leave the country otherwise.

It would save a bundle, too. Of course, border towns that hire a lot of border patrol wouldn't be happy (there are tons of these up north in places where those salaries contribute a great deal to the economy).

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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:17 PM
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6. As a citizen of both countries, I want them separate forever, for many
reasons.

The healthcare problem is a biggie -- as someone else said, who wants 100 million Americans crossing the border to get healthcare in Canada? Not Canada, I'm sure.

As similar as Americans and Canadians are, they are also different in some very specific ways -- I consider Canadians to be nicer and more educated than Americans, and I don't want that to go away. Unholy numbers of Americans are pushy yahoos, and I need a place to get away from that shit!

And this guy likes the American political system??? Spare me -- it's a bought and paid for fake edifice that props up corporations! Is he insane?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 08:36 PM
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12. I'm with you. Canada ranks high on indexes of equality and quality of life. Why
Edited on Sun May-17-09 08:37 PM by applegrove
would we want to join America with its equality which is somewhere around Mexico's and Russia's? Why?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:22 PM
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7. Only if we can have Canadian single-payer healthcare (nt)
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:30 PM
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8. No offense, but HELL NO.
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gula Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:36 PM
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9. (US) Americans running out of water, eh?
You already do wathever you want no matter what treaties we sign, so why would we give up any more of our sovereignty.

Let's get rid of the neocons in Canada and reestablish a truly independent country.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:39 PM
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10. NAU?
:shrug:
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:40 PM
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11. I'd love it, but I'm pretty sure the Canadians wouldn't be so hot on the idea.
In fact, I don't think I could do it to them.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 08:38 PM
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13. Right you are.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 08:55 PM
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14. I'd go for that. And the US-Mexico border, too. (n/t)
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