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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:24 AM
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Letter from a Dodge dealer
My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.

We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.

I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without the ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to buy back the vehicles or parts inventory.

Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler's insistence, incurring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.

HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?

THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY

This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.

This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will also cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? This is a total economic disaster.

HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.


Sincerely,



George C. Joseph
President & Owner
Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/05/letter_from_a_dodge_dealer.html

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I'm not familiar with the site at the link but it looks decidedly right-wing though they claim on their about page that "There is no limit to the topics appearing on American Thinker." I do know however that the guy and the dealership actually exist here:

http://www.sunshinedodgeisuzu.com/staff.html

The author of this letter is shown 8 places from the right.

A very unpleasant situation for him, his family and his empoyees and their families.



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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:42 AM
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1. very sad, and unreal. n/t
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:05 AM
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4. Sad, indeed. I'm hoping he and his family...
...had the franchise organized as a corporation or LLC, rather than an individual proprietorship. If the former, he can at least close down and liquidate under bankruptcy laws without it touching his family's own belongings. If the latter, they're probably going to lose everything they own.

:-(

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:45 PM
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58. I feel awful about this. our franchise, the middle of our town, is going
too. :(
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:54 AM
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2. The trickle-down from these closings,
these and the 1,200 GM closings, is going to be horrendous.

I think we're doomed. While I honestly believe that Obama is doing the best he can, and I trust him to be an honorable, competent, and decent man, I also believe that our country is so smashed on the skids, there is no rescuing it.

My most paranoid self says this is what The Powers That Be had in mind all the time. Suck everything they can out of the country, then just ditch it. Let John McCain have the nomination because he can't win and The Powers thought it would be kind of entertaining to let The Black Guy win, so that he could be in office when the end comes.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I have not been able to shake this scenario out of my head for a while now.

I think Dick Cheney's ongoing public pronouncements of how "unsafe" we are is part of this, and I fully expect the economic collapse - the final, utter, total collapse - will be accompanied by some kind of attack on us. Nuclear wouldn't surprise me.

Since we're only fifteen minutes from the White House and the Capitol, the most comforting thought about that is that we'll never know what hit us.

This poor guy, with his renovations and his inventory, cars and parts, and he gets absolutely nothing for any of it. How can anyone live through such a blatant and hideous unfair predicament?

I wish us all safety, but I'm not optimistic.....................................
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:48 PM
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59. Ours is still the largest economy and will be for some time.
I still think there's time to put things to rights.

I won't say there hasn't been unfettered greed...

wait and see.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:59 AM
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3. Dealerships fought for monopolistic laws protecting them, they didnt complain then..
Edited on Wed May-20-09 03:09 AM by davepc
The used their money and leverage to buy politicians to codify their business models in law.

One of the biggest problems for auto makers is their legal inability to sell cars directly to consumers.


A "FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" would not have a special legal protections for auto dealers in the 1st place.


...

Car dealers, with their low-production-value TV commercials and glad-handing tactics, seem like the archetypal small businessmen, and it’s hard to believe that they could sway the decisions of global corporations like G.M. and Ford. But, collectively, they have enormous leverage. Dealers are not employees of the car companies—they own local franchises, which, in every state, are protected by so-called “franchise laws.” These laws do things like restrict G.M.’s freedom to open a new Cadillac dealership a few miles away from an old one. More important, they also make it nearly impossible for an auto manufacturer to simply shut down a dealership. If G.M. decided to get rid of Pontiac and Buick, it couldn’t just go to those dealers and say, “Nice doing business with you.” It would have to get them to agree to close up shop, which in practice would mean buying them out. When, a few years ago, G.M. actually did eliminate one of its brands, Oldsmobile, it had to shell out around a billion dollars to pay dealers off—and it still ended up defending itself in court against myriad lawsuits. As a result, dropping a brand may very well cost more than it saves, since it’s the dealers who end up with a hefty chunk of the intended savings.

...

And at the state level they often have more political influence than automakers do. In the late nineties, for instance, local dealers were challenged by companies that wanted to sell cars over the Internet. In response, some states, including Texas, actually passed laws making it illegal to have a business selling cars online (unless you already owned a local dealership), and regulators told Internet companies to cease and desist. When Ford itself started experimenting with online sales, dealers’ vigorous objections (along with legal challenges) caused the manufacturers to quickly retreat.

...

Dealers recognized that much about their businesses was always going to be out of their control—automakers not only decide what cars get made but also dictate sales strategies and incentive plans. So they decided to protect what they could, using laws to insulate themselves from competition and from the risk of being dropped by the manufacturer. And that’s what has made life so hard for the automakers today.



http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/09/04/060904ta_talk_surowiecki


"FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" my ass
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:22 AM
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6. But this dealer did NOT agree and was NOT bought out.
So explain to me how the law is protecting him. He bought a franchise that is being taken and given to someone else without compensation. How do you figure that is not a fair gripe?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:21 AM
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17. Im sure that part of the franchising contract he signed covered this eventuality.
If we could buy cars direct from the company, he'd never have had the business anyway. The man is a parasite.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:18 AM
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27. What a foolish thing to say. According to your philosophy, ANY shop owner is a parasite
since it isn't the companies selling their products directly.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:31 AM
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30. interesting
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:32 AM by melm00se
If we could buy cars direct from the company, he'd never have had the business anyway. The man is a parasite.

and if you could buy the cars directly from the manufacturer, who would do the warranty service work? who would deal with the paperwork? and the other processes that go along with it?

dealers (and I don't mean just car dealerships) provide the consumer far more than just a channel from which to source product, they also provide (amongst other things):

immediacy of inventory (not everyone can wait 2-3-4-5 weeks for a product to be built)
demonstration capabilities (would you ever buy a car without a test drive?)
aggregation of financing options (not everyone can qualify for a loan from their local bank)
post-sales service and support (warranty work from above as one example - but there are others, there are some repairs that the "regular" local shop can't/won't deal with for any number of reasons)

car manufacturers are just that: engineering and manufacturing companies. While they do have sales capabilities that is not their forte, so they allowed another industry to build up that would provide that service at a better cost and better level of service than the manufacturer can do itself.

The man is a parasite.

and the 50 or so people he employs? parasites too?

Also do you consider other retailers parasites too? interesting world you live in.


edited to correct formating

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:43 AM
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34. It is possible to divorce the monopoly on car sales from licensed servicing.
Middlemen, parasites, yes that's what they are. These are organizations that make their bread and butter by forcing the consumer to engage in an annoying negotiation process over price so they can maximize their profits. Fuck them.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:10 AM
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38. are ready to go to
1 shop per manufacturer?

how many shoe manufacturers are there?
pants?
suits?
ties?
canned goods?
books?
magazines?

if you think malls are bad now...try it under this model.

and no, the web won't solve this problem as there are a lot of items that much of the general public won't buy via the web.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:23 AM
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41. Why should I bother argue for a new model in this discussion of the failure of the old model?
That guy lost his franchise. He no longer gets to profit by being the middle man. His services were not needed. LOL!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 08:56 AM
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72. .
:thumbsup:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:17 PM
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61. Slave owners lost their investment too when Lincoln freed their "property"
Times change and we've got to roll with the punches.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:21 AM
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5. come on, some K & R'ing needed here
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:24 AM
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7. Everyone has a story......
But unfortunately, it isn't like bad things aren't going to happen, and unfortunately, many of us are simply not exempt.

Perhaps this wouldn't have happened if so many people had paid attention and not voted for Bush.

I have read so many posts about "let them fail", Don't bail them out....including the automakers, until it ain't even funny. Guess that all actions or non-actions have consequences, and not all of them are good for everyone. It is clear that not everyone is gonna make it. That would be impossible. So although I may have empathy for this man's dispair, he ain't the only one that is being affected by the economy....although, perhaps he never thought that he'd hit him. I'm sure as time goes on, we'll hear more horror stories. Reminds me of the CNBC guy who was on the TV talking about how he didn't want to pay for those who had gotten behind in their mortgage....the guy that started the orchestrated Tea Party bullshit.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:16 PM
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54. Good point. He probably did vote for Bush -- in Florida no less.
Let the record show, the deck is stacked for the already rich.

No matter how much Chamber of Commerce boosterism you do, you're still a share-cropper unless you're voting Democratic.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:26 AM
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8. While I definitely don't like what is happening here I am forced to wonder...
I'd be surprised if this guy was a liberal or a Democrat, I'd be willing to wager that this man voted Republican/conservative.

Sometimes you get exactly what you voted for, the Republican/conservatives wrecked the economy with trickle down economics and now they are reaping what they did sow.

Anyone who looked at the economic data versus political party in power since WWII would be forced to conclude that business does better under Democrats/liberals than Republicans/conservatives, I'd be willing to wager again that this man does not know that.

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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:32 AM
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9. anybody with two working brain cells, will realize this guy is a thief
> " nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless <

c'mon folks
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:38 AM
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32. I'll give him ten cents on the dollar for it.
Hell, I'll even move it off his premises for him, for free. Save on the shipping costs.

He's lying.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:30 AM
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44. I am astonished people here are falling for this. It is clearly fake.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:39 PM
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57. That identical letter shows up on at least twenty sites, most conservative
Just google "George C. Joseph" and you get pages and pages of hits with this identical letter.

Other than those hits, I find very little on George C. Joseph - and not one political donation for him is listed at OpenSecrets.com.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:21 PM
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65. That's exactly what I thought.
Look downthread for a DU'er that gave the place a call. The dealership exists, but no one there is aware of this deal, or they aren't saying. It could be real, but before analyzing and hand wringing, why not find out first?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:51 AM
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10. What does this have to do with the government?
He doesn't say. Is the government forcing Chrysler to take away his franchise?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:04 AM
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13. Don't know - but wading through the comments over at that site - ugh
I need a shower.

Basic summary - All Obama/Democrats fault, someone should call Glen Beck, is the other dealership "minority owned"? blah blah blah
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:18 AM
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16. What a bunch of fucking shitheads they have over there!
I'm glad that fucker lost it all.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:26 AM
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18. Nothing. And that's what these sad sack pieces of shit fail to grasp. Their ideal economic...
practices are what killed them.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:40 AM
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11. The sad state of America
This is still the results of 8 years of the bu$h policies and moreover 30 years of reaganomics.

The sad state of America
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:46 AM
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12. Car dealers suck. Fuck em.
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summer borealis Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:15 AM
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14. Indeed
"HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?"


I said the same thing when my 1979 Dodge Aspen died in the middle of US22 with just 54,000 miles on the piece of shit.
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summer borealis Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:17 AM
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15. In other words ...
Fuck car dealers. They don't give a rat's ass about anyone else's ass. To hell with them all.
Maybe this guy needs a 60,000-mile buyer-protection rust-proofing plan?????
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:39 PM
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49. I bet I know what went wrong-
That little white 1 inch by 3 inch capacitor with a single bolt in the middle and a wire on both ends went out. Sits right in the top center of the firewall.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I used to carry 3 in my glove box :rofl:
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:21 PM
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56. Man, you got that right. I remember when cars boiled over, wouldn't start,
threw rods, seized up, blew head gaskets, and burned more oil than gas.

They were ALL American cars, and Dodges were the worst.

When they finally did get around to improving reliability (thanks to imports eating their lunch), they only wanted to build Tahoes and Suburbans, heigh ho.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:47 AM
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19. for starters, i highly doubt
his dealership will be TAKEN and given to someone else with no compensation...afaik Dodge is just pulling the franchise rights, and the dealer is free to affiliate itself with another automaker (or just sell used cars)...

second, Mr. "GAWD BLESS THE USA AND FREE MARKET" should already know that the worst-performing dealers are slated for closure...The market spoke...
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:52 AM
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20. The local dealer franchise model is outdated and antique
It's also a big part of the reason why the auto companies are going belly up.

No sympathy for this guy.
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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:56 AM
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21. The dealrships are nto being given to new owners
I dunno where this guy got that from? Additionally I thought the dealers would be able to sell existing inventory and continue the business if they were capable of doing so even if only as a used car dealer.

Something is fishy with that letter.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:00 AM
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22. A dollar to a doughnut this guy votes Republican
You dance with the one that brung ya...
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:05 AM
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24. I bet FOX was on all the TVs in the service center
I will say that is sucks it is happening to him, however.

On the other hand, I keep envisioning the fake negotiations with the "manager" in the back room to "see what we can do" to bring down the price of one of those great Dodge trucks. How many customers were screwed over by this dealer? Karma?

Then again, I hate to think of 50 people losing their jobs. That sucks.

I'm conflicted.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:02 AM
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23. Banging the Republican Drum for decades will do this....
that is how it happens...George...

I bet he was a big Bush/Republican supporters like most Car Dealerships are...

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:10 AM
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25. "This is a private business not a government entitity".... and yet you seem to think the Govt.
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:13 AM by KittyWampus
should step in and help ascertain you get a square deal?

"How can this happen in a free market economy".... are you really that dense? IT'S BECAUSE OF THE FREE MARKET ECONOMY.

As a third generation, small business owner I sympathize to a point but the guy sounds like a Far Right, Fox News watching, Rush Limbaugh listening tool.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:12 AM
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26. When I bought my very first new car
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:13 AM by DiverDave
the salesman wouldn't shut up about the extended warranty.
It must have been 5 times he asked or commented about the costs of repairs that were not covered.
I finally asked if there was a pattern of failures that we should know about.
I was told that, no, there was nothing wrong with the car ( a 1989 Jeep Cherokee)

We eventually signed and got home.
I was sitting in the car, just smelling the new car smell, when my wife came out and commented that our payments were higher then we had agreed to.

Turns out the rat bastard salesman had included the extended warranty after I told him NO! at least 5 times.
We arranged to meet the sales manager to get it taken off, man, you could have fried an egg on my forehead I was so mad.
My wife got me to promise not to say a word while we were there.
I kept my promise, but the slime wouldn't even look at me after he got the first glance, if looks could kill...
So, yeah, I feel really sorry that these guys are hurting, after years of this kind of thievery, it's just karma, baby.

It wasn't the guy from the OP, but a long established dealer in Tampa.
I wonder if he is suffering, it would be nice to think that karma does work.

Oh, the dealer was King, or koons...it used a crown on its logo, I searched and couldn't find them, but this is a true story.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:35 AM
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46. I had a Chevy dealer pull the same on me with financing
I had agreed to something like 4.5% financing. We were signing the contract at 8pm at night, and hurrying through it, when I came to the page that had, burried in the middle, that it was being financed at 8%.

I pointed it out, and the salesman said "oh, that was a mistake, I'll fix that."

It turns out that one of the TV stations did an expose, and upping the financing in the final contract was a fairly standard practice, that most people didn't catch on, and it adds hundreds of dollars to the sale over the course of the loan.

Amazing that as dys-numeric as I am, I caught it (probably because I'm also amazingly cheap).

So many thieves.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:20 AM
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28. A free-market economy is *exactly* how this can happen, unfortunately. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:31 AM
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29. "HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY"
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:33 AM by depakid
If the dealership (or the originator of the email) doesn't know this, then they're not very bright. Or more likely- Republicans- who scream and holler the loudest whenever "something bad" happens to them, personally.

Dime a dozen.

Memo to Dealership: read the fine print of the contracts you sign. Especially if you might be on the hook for a personal guarantee of a loan.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:25 AM
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42. A: Bankruptcy. Duh? nt
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:37 AM
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31. Rewards of a Republican Government.
Vote Republican, and sooner or later, it will bite you in the ass. Or, take a huge chunk out of your ass, just like it has done to millions of other Americans over the past few years. Nice to know that the pain is beginning to "trickle" up to those, who kept the Republican shell game going.

"THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY" The brand name went bankrupt, so what is the point of this statement, since his brand name decided to shut him down?

Is his "Free Market" ruining him now? Well join the fucking club asshole!
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:39 AM
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33. And so it begins. This is what all the people who were NOT wanting the
bankruptcy of the auto industry was trying to say was going to happen. Those of you who said "let them fail" this one's for you and it's only the beginning.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:45 AM
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35. This is phoney -- another RW propaganda piece
It's right up there with "If Obama gets elected I'm going to fire all the liberals in my business."

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:49 AM
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36. Yup
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:12 AM
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37. FREE MARKET ECONOMY ?
Sorry George C. Joseph, there's no such thing.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:20 AM
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39. American Thinker is a far right wing site

Propaganda through and through
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:21 AM
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40. Same situation, different response:
The town I used to live near has a couple dealers facing similar situations, and look, they're going to adapt. These are small dealerships, making plans and finding ways to stay in business:

Rich Pollard said, however, that won't kill his entire business or cause the closure of Pollard Brothers, as Friday's headlines stated.

(snip)

Pollard said he will stay in business, selling used cars if in fact he loses his Jeep franchise. He will retain his mechanic, too.

"We have a lot of loyal customers. We have been here for 26 years," he said, reiterating reports his dealership was closing weren't accurate.


Or this guy, the GM guy:

"We'll stay in business," Kent Wollert of Wollert GMC in Montrose said.

"If that happens to us — which we're not aware of yet — if we lose our GMC franchise, then we're going to be a super strong used car store. We're going to take care of our customer base like we always have."

GMC can decline to renew the Wollert franchise, but it can't actually shutter the dealership. "As far as our dealership, we will remain open," Wollert said.

He said Wollert would invest the same amount of money into used vehicles as it currently invests in new cars.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:26 AM
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43. It's called "Bankruptcy". Little sympathy for a business-person who is ignorant of the concept. nt
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:59 PM
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62. It's not the dealer that's in bankruptcy.
The letter was directed to the court that's handling Chrysler's bankruptcy asking for assistance in protecting his interests.

And I'm surprised that there's little to no concern showing on this thread for the people who work for the dealership. The mechanics and secretaries and porters and whatnot. At least some of them no-doubt union workers. What's to become of them in this economy being out of a job is a scary, scary proposition? Does anyone care about them?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:57 PM
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66. Duh. CHRYSLER is in bankruptcy. Which allows it to avoid dealer contracts. nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:32 AM
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45. Free market economy?
Businesses fail in free market economies. That's pretty much the point, silly.
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:44 PM
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50. How dare a business be allowed to fail in a free market economy?
Seriously, this guy needs go re-read what he wrote. What a joke, and I can tell he's definitely a right-wing nutcase from his complaints in that letter. His family may not be the richest in town anymore! Oh dear! Considering it's from a dealership, I don't believe his story for a second that he will be hit so hard, I think it's just a ploy to get people to buy up his inventory as quickly as possible.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:43 AM
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47. This is probably allowed by his dealership agreement with Dodge. And this is 100% free market.
Sounds like George is a budding "socialist."
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:14 PM
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48. Strange......I just called them........
(321) 724-6611

They said that they don't know if the franchise is going to be given to someone else or not. It's up to the bankruptcy judge. This has NOTHING to do with TARP or any bailout. If they were not going into bankruptcy this would not be happening.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:47 PM
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53. Did you speak to Mr. Joseph, the owner, who states in his letter
the following:

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them.

Or, perhaps he didn't actually write this letter. And, if he didn't, I'll confront American Thinker personally!
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:19 PM
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55. Thank you for doing real reportage on this!
Edited on Wed May-20-09 03:19 PM by ArbustoBuster
It looks like that confirms this story is rightwing BS propaganda.

(Edited for typo)
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:52 PM
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60. My first thought was just to call them, but I was going to wait until I read thru.
The letter sounds made up to me, like it's not so subtly steering you to think "my God, this is socialism, it's here!!". It may be real, it may not be, but something tells me this will be on Snopes soon enough. Here is their site:

http://www.sunshinedodgeisuzu.com/
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:51 PM
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51. I just read one too many comments on that page
ugh, a guy said that buying gm and chrystler is an obama plot to help unions and big government so that buying american is un-american and that we should buy foreign cars instead. What's wrong with people?
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:01 PM
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52. a local dealer here in Maine that got hit
Edited on Wed May-20-09 02:04 PM by northernlights
expects to do fine with the used car and service end of his business. More people around here are buying used than new anyway.

I remember back in Mass getting my last car repaired by a former warranty-repairman who struck out on his own.

They won't get the new car warranty-mandated service, but once warranties are up, they can get follow on service due to dealership service providers being so horrendously expensive.

Plus, with more and more people squeezing more miles from their cars, the service people should be doing quite nicely. Having a dodge parts business should be a great business given all the people that are keeping their cars longer and fixing them instead of trading in for new every 5 minutes.

Sounds like a load of hogwash to me. He just needs to modify his business model. Also do something about the 125 new car inventory -- maybe just slash and sell, or maybe let the repo man take them back...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:09 PM
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63. deleted
Edited on Wed May-20-09 05:14 PM by Horse with no Name
Didn't realize this was a right-wing propaganda piece.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:12 PM
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64. K&R
:kick:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:10 PM
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67. It sounds like he's blaming the government.
Does he not understand that a private corporation is doing this to him?

I feel bad for him, but I wonder if any of the people he voted for or the policies he supported are now karmic-ly bitch-slapping him.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:21 PM
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68. Guess what?
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:30 PM by sendero
You Mr. Car Dealer, are just on the bleeding edge of what will be happening, in one form or another, to millions of Americans. They will be losing their businesses.

Your hyperbole of "giving my cars and parts away" notwithstanding, guess what happens when you are selling the products of a BANKRUPT company?

Shit goes to shit. And believe me, whether it happened now or a year or two from now, your business is Dead Dealership Walking.

So, I hope you haven't been voting Republican, because it is the "let business do what it wants, the markets are the best regulator" morons that caused this mess. And if you did, I have not one ounce of sympathy for your plight.

If you are dead-set on blaming this on the government, blame it on the Bush administration that gutted every bit of regulation they could, and on Alan Greenspan and Phil Gramm in particular. If you don't know why, educate yourself, you'll probably have plenty of time.

Have a nice day.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 08:17 AM
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69. The situation from a different perspective.
Edited on Thu May-21-09 08:18 AM by tomreedtoon
Up until a few weeks ago I was an engineer at a television station. I was laid off because my station's commercial income dropped severely. And where did that income come from? Automobile dealer advertising.

For decades, dealers received "co-op dollars" from the auto makers. These were extraordinarily generous. With that ad money, dealers filled the airwaves with ads for their dealerships. They pushed out smaller advertisers from the TV universe, like local restaurants and businesses, because their enormous financial clout caused the price of TV ads to raise.

Because they weren't allowed to knock other dealers for the same line of cars (who were all getting co-op dollars from the same source) these ads basically said "Buy from me because I'm a good guy." They couldn't offer specifics, they never offered reliable comparison prices, and therefore they were mostly ego-boosts for the dealer and his sales staff. They all appeared in the ads and pretended to be excited.

Whether comic or deadpan, interesting or dull, I wouldn't buy a car from those people based on their ads, and as it turns out, neither would the American public.

When the housing bubble burst, the finance bubble burst as well, and so did the car-buying bubble. These dealers didn't have anything to distinguish them besides their locations and the colors of their ties. They found that they couldn't get the suckers to come into their showrooms with their pointless, anonymous ads, and they couldn't advertise without the big bucks from Detroit.

It's a sad kind of schadenfreude when the failure of someone you don't like causes you harm too, as has happened to me. But I realize, as I hit the mean streets to find some other kind of work, that the whole thing was a house of cards. Detroit propped up the dealers, the dealers propped up my former employer, and all of us depended upon the American consumer to buy ugly, gas-wasting rustmobiles and keep the whole cycle going. We each saw each other as suckers. And we were right.

"Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me
Here they lie, and here lie we
Under the spreading chestnut tree."
---George Orwell, 1984
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 08:24 AM
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70. Oh bullshit. This is just another fictional garbage right-wing email
with just enough names to make it look real.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 08:40 AM
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71. Since every single time I've dealt with a car dealer they have tried to screw me I find it hard to
Edited on Thu May-21-09 08:40 AM by newportdadde
be very sympathetic. My first new car out of college I went in an made the deal in an hour, easiest sale this guy was gonna make all month. He told me the car was across the state and he had to 'buy it' off this other dealer otherwise he could have lowered the price 500 bucks.

I pick up the car drive it home and open up the glove box. Inside is the original sicker all crumped up and torn with the address of the original dealership.. guess what it was 15 miles away. So I went back up there and got my 500 bucks after I basically started making a scene on the show room floor.

Thats just one experience. Another we were buying a van. Deal was for XYZ flat price. I get in they try to tack on 'docking/processing fees' for 400.00. I stand up and start to walk out telling them they can keep it since they can't keep a deal. They take off the 400.00 bucks.

I could go on an on, warranty service etc.

Car salesman and car dealers = crooks.



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