check out the "Venus Project" It's a future thinking idea about an economic system that is best for

the planet and everyone.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Looks like the covers of all those cool sci-fi novels I read in the early 60s.

I guess all those people living in those techno high-rises have to have someone to grow and pick the crops, eh?

With lots of pretty, futuristic pictures and sleek web design.

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Mineralman that the pictures are neat. Maybe this plan could happen...two or three hundred years from now.

What makes you think we have any chance in hell of fixing our shit in a few hundred years?

No designed social or economic system can ever work any more than a goldfish designed by an engineer could live. Social and economic systems in order to function must be the products of evolution and to survive they must continue to evolve.

Perhaps the species that lives in those utopian palaces, supported by the "production" done by the unworthy species?

Wallowing in pity induced by failed relationships, chemical addictions, destruction from my unchecked greed, and drama used to quell my boredom.

(actually, Im just trying to empathize with the people I see from my techno-turrent on my mansion).

Why are all those houses fucking white? Do future people have no design taste?

If you live in the United States, you live in the world's most explicitly planned society, dating back to the colonies and the early Republic, and onwards through every major wave of (largely and roughly) planned transformation, culminating in the post-WWII reorganization of society along consumerist lines and permanent cold war, as conceived and implemented by a few thousand establishment architects.

The founding of the Republic, post-Civil War industrialization, the post-Reconstruction alliance of elites in North and South, the decision to go imperialist, urbanization and mass production and automotive society, the New Deal, the postwar new world order, the neoliberal strategy adopted in the late 1970s -- all of these were plans originating from a consensus of no more than a few thousand at a time in the establishment and government, and each of these plans roughly met their goals for decades at a time.

Did they also go wrong (or right, depending on your perspective) in various and unpredictable ways? You betcha!

Granted that design always works from an existing starting point, and nothing evolves exactly as people imagine. But nothing in the present economy is without its conscious architects, both historic and present-day. They have competed, but at most times there has been an establishment consensus that prevailed. The system grew and has conditioned almost the entire population to conform to its needs roughly according to these long-term plans.

No social or economic system of the present scale and complexity could ever work without employing literally a few million planners and economic engineers around the world, who nevertheless make up a small fraction of the people, in a centralized system dominated by highly concentrated private capital that requires stability and predictability in its complex reproduction systems: i.e., planning.

And it "works," though not always to the best ends. Every colony in history was a utopian project with a plan. Presumably you live in the set of colonies that became the USA.

And watch out for the (transhumanist) engineers making goldfish. They have plans, too.

Thanks!

And they think they can design an entire society?

Don't think I'd want to live there though.

of their utopia. But, hey, that's OK, working the land with plows drawn by oxen is healthy labor. Maybe your great-grandchildren can move into those glittering utopian palaces. As servants, of course.

Planned socities aren't really my thing. None of those beautiful, white buildings appear to be a dive bar with cheap tequila, and as far as I'm concerned, there's not much point without that.

As long as I get that for free to live in, Im game!

This is the ultimate system. You get everything, except browser compatible websites, and no one has to do anything. Hurray.

sewer plant worker.

"Those who labor may dream of a life in the palace for their ancestors."

So all those mansions are for is to make us salivate. Screw that. Id rather have everyone pulled down to my level. Give me agrarian utopia now!

Arbeit Macht Frei!

Now, back to work, prole.

Atlantis, anyone?

Are these future societies expecting Mongol invaders at the gates?

utopia. You will live outside the gates, doing "Production" work. See the farmworker photo in an early post. If you labor well, your great-grandchildren may qualify to enter the city gates.

and think to myself "man, I sure would like to go fuck that up!"

Thanks for the link.