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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:41 PM
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What is the future of an outsourced country?
We produce so little and only consume and outsource the jobs. What ultimately becomes of us? A friend told me about a book about the post oil economy, where we are no longer able to get our goods cheaply because the transportation becomes too expensive, and what it will be like. Wish I had gotten the name of it. I am just wondering what the future holds economically, when it will happen and how to emerge from it. I doubt it will be a Mad Max scenario but I think things are going to have to change.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:43 PM
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1. hopefully we'll start making our own stuff again but the transition will
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 07:43 PM by AZDemDist6
be painful I'd imagine

edit for stupid spelling
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adnelson60087 Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:45 PM
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2. The name of the book is probably
The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler. The final chapter is just frightening...They ought to make a docudrama out of it and scare the crap out of everyday Americans like The Day After did back in the 80's regarding Nuclear Winter.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:51 PM
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3. The world no longer has to fight us to bring us to our knees
It only has to impose trade sanctions.

We no longer make cloth, shoes, adequate steel, many pharmaceuticals, ANY vaccines, most ready to wear clothing, a lot of refined foodstuffs, and the list goes on and on. Never mind the big things like oil. It's all the little things that will sink us.

There is no way we can keep offshoring paychecks and onshoring debt while trying to build an empire. It simply can't be done.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:55 PM
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4. It will be a bit like Eastern Europe after the end of Communism
Americans will have to reinvent themselves in a different mold. I'd be surprised if the country remains politically intact.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:02 PM
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5. Very good question , wish I had an answer myself .
As far as I can tell with the ever changing global world we seem to now be stuck in the future does not look to good for america .

We allowed all these corporate box stores to kill the ma and pa stores by the promise of cheaper products , well we certainly got that but with alot of pulling strings attached , strings pulling our manufacturing jobs off shore .

It seems most college students are going for marketing and business careers rather than science and other sorts of careers .

I certainly don;t see another Rosy the riviter ever again . The auto industry went for the lowest bidder for higher profit and brought back the big trucks and V-8's where the foreign builders went for quality and economy .

We have now become a third world country in many ways , we may very well turn out to be just like Mexico as they had promise until the US stole their oil and brought in a right wing government who shipped out their good jobs .

I can't see how it's possible for the US to ever again become the country who shipped more finished products than they import without manufacturing jobs , we make almost nothing here now as you know .

As more and more people enter the work force with so few jobs it looks like we will need some real help to even get close to getting out of this disaster .
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:21 PM
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6. The Upper Classes have Their Fortified Enclaves, the unwashed can join marauding militias..
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:32 PM
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7. If things keep going as they are for example
Mexico may become what we once were and we will become like they have been, as a Third World Country. And maybe other Countries will benefit from the cheap labor theme as well, while we go down the tubes. Here in So Cal I see so many Mexicans driving around in nice cars, and some of them own homes. And I'm not talking about legal Immigrants. And a lot of the Citizens who are born here are poor and struggling (especially because of the cost of living)

It's pretty scary if you ask me. :scared: What will all of us do finacially?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:33 PM
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8. Service, agriculture, and white-collar business.
Everyone agrees on that, to the best of my knowledge. The only disputes are in what proportions and what the pay scales will be.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:34 PM
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9. A huge disparity of wealth, with lots of poverty and crime.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:50 PM
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10. I have two thoughts
1. We will revert to a type of Robber Barron era again..where the Rich and the mega corporations will rule the country, do away with workers rights and civil rights etc....

2. The megacorporations will have outsourced so much that they will fold in upon themselves...because the very American consumers that they are selling their goods to will no longer be able to purchase their goods...no sells, stockpiled products, layoff worldwide workers, shut down offices and around and around we go....

In two years when there is a new President one of the things he/she has to do is to protect and rebuild the infrastructure of the US by:
1)reign in outsourcing of jobs,
2) reverse the current trend, reward companies who keep jobs in America and do not outsource
3)instead of rewarding companies for outsourcing and taking their headquarters offshore penalize them

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:01 PM
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15. MadMaddie, #1 has happened.
1. We will revert to a type of Robber Barron era again..where the Rich and the mega corporations will rule the country, do away with workers rights and civil rights etc....

Done. Next?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 08:56 PM
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11. What goes around, comes around. I think we will again produce our own goods. When no one can
afford to buy the Corporate third World manufactured products, produced from slave wages, they will return our jobs, but on our terms. I can't wait for that
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:11 PM
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12. I am with you...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:33 PM
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13. ..
:thumbsup:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:58 PM
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14. after China and Japan pull the plug on our currency, we won't be able to
afford the imports.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:09 PM
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16. Doesn't Japan hold most of our debt? Even more than China.
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pigpickle Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:48 PM
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17. Outsource, mercenary, what's the difference?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:57 PM
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18. Looks outsourced I guess....
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 11:08 PM
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19. Well the rich will get richer until the rest of us decide
...we've had enough. I'm not saying that all of America needs to go to work on assembly lines, but as long as getting rich doesn't involve creating or manufacturing products, the socioeconomic divide will become more and more obvious. It is essential that ALL the tools for manufacturing are accessible to average Americans who have the ingenuity and creativity to produce, so that we do not have to have every product blessed by people who are in actuality leaches who are now revered billionaires.
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