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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:31 PM
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Replacing Gitmo with this?
From LBN

Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), the assistant majority leader, said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he would accept Guantanamo detainees in his home state as long as they were held in super-maximum prisons, where inmates are held 23 hours a day in small cells with slits for windows.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3891315

Why? If they are not charged with anything, why lock them in such horrible conditions? Why would this be better than Gitmo? What am I missing?

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:37 PM
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1. We have 5 categories, and I thought super-max for those decided, convicted.
May be overlap in some time, but the need to close the recruiting tool is important. These cases are very confusing, as how we conducted this created many messy cases.

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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:39 PM
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2. You haven't read the Bush-Obama Doctrine. We're facing a generational war!!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:45 PM
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3. Care to explain the "Bush-Obama Doctrine"?
If you're going to equate Bush and Obama, I would think you have plenty of facts (not innuendo, rumour, or rhetoric, but FACTS) to back up that assertion.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:00 PM
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11. Sure:
...

The executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, Anthony D. Romero, said he was preparing an advertising campaign that would call the use of what he considered an inferior legal system to try detainees “the Bush-Obama doctrine.”

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/us/politics/16gitmo.html?_r=2&ref=politics&pagewanted
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:17 PM
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12. Oh, I get it now ...
"Somebody" said "something" which they plan to use in an advertising campaign.

Well, it doesn't get more "factual" than that, does it? After all, "he said" he was "preparing" an "advertising campaign" that would "call the use" of what "he considered" an inferior legal system to try detainees “the Bush-Obama doctrine.”

In the same vein, I am given to believe without question that M&Ms melt in one's mouth, and never in one's hand.

What I am meant to take from the chocolate goo in my palm right now is anyone's guess - perhaps someone's "advertising campaign" will explain "the use" of what "they consider" to be an inferior chocolate product, and the consequences thereof.

I will, of course, be reassured by such - uh - "factual information".
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:21 PM
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13. Yes, that's right, it doesn't get any more factual than that, nor does it have to.
The ACLU coined the term Bush-Obama Doctrine, which I have taken to using.

Really, Nance, not your best work.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:30 PM
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14. If you honestly believe ...
... that the ACLU "coining a phrase" equals being a FACT, I have nothing more to say.

Or perhaps I was meant to be awed by the concept that YOU "have taken to using" the phrase - and the idea that you believe it "doesn't get any more FACTUAL than that".

Hear ye, hear ye ... billyoc has adopted a phrase!!! Who can question the use of a phrase as being the be-all and end-all of a discussion???

The mind truly boggles ...
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:40 PM
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15. That is what I honestly believe.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:43 PM
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16. Well, if you honestly believe ...
... that a "coined phrase" equals a factual underpinning, all I can say is good luck with that.

Peace.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:46 PM
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4. Give it a rest. You are no better than the small minded reactionaries on the other side. thank god
you and yours are in the minority, just like they are.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:47 PM
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6. Billyoc has been posting this type of crap everywhere on DU....nt
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:46 PM
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5. There's a maximum security prison near Thomson, Illinois
Edited on Sun May-24-09 10:49 PM by 47of74
But there's no inmates there. It's been empty since the completion of construction. What they should do is send the detainees there.

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/facilities/information.asp?instchoice=tom

And in addition, it'll make the head of the neocon I have to work with explode because he lives in Thomson.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:48 PM
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8. There is a prison in Montana that wants them all... If I can find the link, I'll post it. nt
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:52 PM
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9. Hardin
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5687678

Again, a new facility that will prevent interactions with other prisoners, so the FBI director will not lose his pants. The mayor wants 100, the city wants them but their senator does not.

So at least Durbin is better than Baucus.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:54 PM
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10. This is the way to go
A new prison with no other prisoners, so the FBI does not have to fret about "gang rivalry."
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:47 PM
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7. Once they are in the US people will get used to it and things will
change. The right has had their way with fear, it is not over but it will be, these things take time.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:54 PM
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17. Right. Why should people fear individuals who may have done nothing
some of whom were teens when captured, more than gang leaders?
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