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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:23 AM
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Memorial Day gets sadder every year that goes by without Peace.
George W Bush started two illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars. In addition to killing more than 1 million innocent civilians and, perhaps, a few thousand terrorists, as of this writing 4,300 Americans have died in Iraq and 687 Americans have died in Afghanistan.

Bush admitted doing so was good for business. On Feb. 14, 2007, he said:
"Money Trumps Peace."

How much longer will these tragedies continue?

Why are they allowed to stand, at all?



The Vietnam War Memorial, Washington, D.C.

How much longer will We the People allow ourselves to be under the thrall of War?

Let it end now.
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:27 AM
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1. You know the answers to all those questions better than anybody
And Bush's quote sums it up aptly -- "Money Trumps Peace."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:49 AM
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12. The connected want to privatize the profits of war.
Frida Berrigan wrote taking the profit out of killing would make an excellent first step in ending war...



Military Industrial Complex 2.0

Cubicle Mercenaries, Subcontracting Warriors, and Other Phenomena of a Privatizing Pentagon


by Frida Berrigan
Published on Monday, September 15, 2008 by TomDispatch.com

Seven years into George W. Bush's Global War on Terror, the Pentagon is embroiled in two big wars, a potentially explosive war of words with Tehran, and numerous smaller conflicts - and it is leaning ever more heavily on private military contractors to get by.

Once upon a time, soldiers did more than pick up a gun. They picked up trash. They cut hair and delivered mail. They fixed airplanes and inflated truck tires.

Not anymore. All of those tasks are now the responsibility of private military corporations. In the service of the Pentagon, their employees also man computers, write software code, create integrating systems, train technicians, manufacture and service high-tech weapons, market munitions, and interpret satellite images.

People in ties or heels, not berets or fatigues, today translate documents, collect intelligence, interpret for soldiers and interrogators, approve contracts, draft reports to Congress, and provide oversight for other private contractors. They also fill prescriptions, fit prosthetics, and arrange for physical therapy and psychiatric care. Top to bottom, the Pentagon's war machine is no longer just driven by, but staffed by, corporations.

Consider the following: In fiscal year 2005 (the last year for which full data is available), the Pentagon spent more contracting for services with private companies than on supplies and equipment -- including major weapons systems. This figure has been steadily rising over the past 10 years. According to a recent Government Accountability Office report, in the last decade the amount the Pentagon has paid out to private companies for services has increased by 78% in real terms. In fiscal year 2006, those services contracts totaled more than $151 billion.

Ever more frequently, we hear generals and politicians alike bemoan the state of the military. Their conclusion: The wear and tear of the President's Global War on Terror has pushed the military to the breaking point. But private contractors are playing a different tune. Think of it this way: While the military cannot stay properly supplied, its suppliers are racking up contracts in the multi-billions. For them, it's a matter of letting the good times roll.

What a Difference a War Makes

As we prepare to close the book on the Bush presidency, it is worth exploring just how, in the last seven-plus years, the long War on Terror has actually helped build a new, privatized version of the Pentagon. Call it Military Industrial Complex 2.0.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/15-3



I'm just a messenger. Thank you for understanding what the real fight is about, Blecht. We can't beat these devils alone -- like Herakles and the Hydra, it takes teamwork.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:29 AM
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2. Bring the war home and it will end.
That's what it took to end Vietnam and it is what it will take to end our current wars as well.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:59 AM
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13. Ours is a different nation, today.
For starters, Corporate McPravda has no Walter Cronkite standing up and saying, "Enough! It's unwinnable."

And that's the way it is, Feb. 27, 1968.

We do have the Internet, though. And I am in agreement with you, anonymous171: Every American needs to know what these wars are about and that we each must play a role in ending them. Otherwise, these warmongering bastards will keep using them to maintain their positions of power, profit and privilege.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:35 AM
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3. Peace is the result of Demand.....we must find ways to address solutions
see my incipient link
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:35 AM
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16. No question, there, my Brother.
Peace is a human right.

On March 5, futurist Jacques Fresco addressed a group of people at U-M in Ann Arbor. The former NASA engineer described how his current company had been commissioned by the then-flush Saudis to design the city of the future.

Fresco showed us an animated film of their work. The projected communities were organized in a circular shape, with city services in the center, the next ring being housing, then parks and recreation, then the outermost rings were for farming. Robots could be built to do all the dangerous, dirty jobs and heavy lifting. Robots even could do the assembly of buildings and the city itself. People were freed to do the work they wanted, each contributing.

The guy's 91-plus and he stood and talked for an hour. He indicated that our current model is one where corporations hold sway. And that, at their core, corporations are fascistic. "Who votes? Nobody. The CEO decides." He said, governments, whether commie or fascistic, similarly, are all the same. At heart, these organizations are faulty and corrupt with land stolen from the original people and a society geared toward war -- a process that makes some rich and the rest conscripted in their service.

True democracy, he said, results when We the People can decide. The people hear one leader speak. Another gives her or his side of the issue. A neutral nation debates and opines and decides. That's what democracy is all about -- people deciding. And people never decide for war. And we must stand up to those who would move us to war -- except when, as in World War II -- evil forces wanted to dominate and enslave the world and destroy all who opposed them.

Fresco said he sees no hope for the nation and planet unless people decide to stop today's fascists. He said, to end war and survive, we must share resources. We must sustain and treat each life with dignity: food, water, education, political rights, etc. We have the resources to do it. And the resources we have can create an abundance -- not the shortages that we see all around under the current system.

Your new community is fascinating, opihimoimoi. It sounds like what Fresco was talking about. How can I join? How can I help?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:54 AM
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17. Dear Friend,
I am 68 and fading...strength is not what it used to be.

However, I still have a kick or two left.

Your response heartens me...I have only a few peeps who concur Peace is possible in this Peace starved World...

Yes you can help...how we don't know yet...but we will soon eneough.

Our effort is a complex one...but what we did was reduce the complexity with simplicity...into smaller objectives rather than trying to solve the big picture in one swoop.

What we did was reduce the MAIN GOAL into one or 2 common denominator words...like PEACE and TRANQUILITY...

That would be the top goal for now...How to solve is Education and Demonstration with models and concepts...

This would take monies and resourcs....

That would involve fund raising.. we would start a Non Profit Foundation(we haven't settled on a name yet)

...oops....now that I think about it....we should be emailing each other...if you wish....lemme PM you

Opi
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:35 AM
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4. I remember 10 years ago when people mused that organizations like VFW and American Leigon would die
because the WW II and Korean Vets were dying off, and once the 'Nam vets were gone, who'd be left.

I fear these organizations will have members for years to come.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:45 AM
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5. But, they're not Wars, they're Occupations! It's good for Bidness!
K&R

Let it end now.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:24 AM
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6. If this thread is not on the top of the Greatest by morning
then there is all the more reasons for mourning.

peace
dp
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:50 AM
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7. I have wondered why there was not more outrage at Bush's wars -
I never believed there was any reason to be in Iraq, and not very much of one to be in the trap of Afghanistan. Only to generate profits for the few at the cost of the lives and futures of many good Americans.
The rich largely avoided the draft, and virtually none of them are in the military now that there is no draft. And they are certainly making money on the financial collapse of our country.
I keep thinking of Cheney as the example...


mark

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:43 AM
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8. I believe Obama's campaign promise was 16 months.
We shall see.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:00 AM
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9. Thank you.
I spent hours sitting and thinking about this last night, and the horrors associated with the loss of life, the wounded people, and all the suffering that Bush-Cheney caused. You summed it up very well.

Nominated.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:43 AM
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10. Heartbreaking-and infuriating... n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 07:31 AM
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11. Not to mention all the civilians that have been killed.
Edited on Mon May-25-09 07:35 AM by pleah
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:17 AM
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14. 'money trumps peace' he should have been locked up after this statement
i remember it well
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:21 AM
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15. It's uncanny how often we are on the same wavelength.
GMTA I suppose.

-Hoot
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