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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:33 PM
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Does the killer of Dr. Tiller deserve a fair trial?
For 8 years white, conservative fundamentalist Christians have made shrill arguments that terrorists do not have rights, that terrorists can be jailed without probable cause or due process, or habeas corpus or a jury trial. Or does that only apply to Muslims?

Obama has said he plans to continue military tribunals: well let's try 'em out on this fucker. Or maybe the murderer would be a good candidate for "indefinite detention."
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:34 PM
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1. WATERBOARD THE FUCKER!!!
That is the precedent for terrorists, isn't it?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:36 PM
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4. Yup, make him talk!
We might discover a link to Osama.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:35 PM
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2. Yes he does
Because to do otherwise would mean that we are no better than the murderer and his pack of coward supporters.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:35 PM
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3. Good idea. We need to start treating all of our terrorists the same way.
No more of this "domestic terrorist" bullshit.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:36 PM
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5. Yes, but I would to at least see this argued by the government
A terrorist is a terrorist, right?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:36 PM
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6. Yes...
Edited on Sun May-31-09 02:06 PM by BlooInBloo
This has been another episode of Simple Answers To Simple Questions.


Alt answer: The issue isn't what HE deserves, the issue is that WE Americans deserve that The State try us fairly. I'm not really sure why that's so hard for people to understand.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:48 PM
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15. absolutely
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:37 PM
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7. not particularly, but we the people do
and therefore he must have one
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:13 PM
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37. +1...n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:37 PM
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8. Did they arrest someone yet?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:37 PM
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9. Isn't this kind of premeditated murder the reason
for the death penalty?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:46 PM
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13. Indeed. Be interesting to see how people line up on that here and elsewhere
I remember the Nightline program the night the Harvey Milk decision came down. Hopefully people are more consistent this time around
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:13 PM
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20. Yup,also special circumstances of "lying in wait" -eom
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:38 PM
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10. yes. he does.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:41 PM
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11. Of course, complete with mental state evaluation
and treatment if necessary.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:42 PM
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12. I do think we need to find out who donates money to anti-choice groups and seize their assets
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:43 PM by Burma Jones
What's good for the Goose.......
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:48 PM
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16. On what basis?
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:13 PM
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19. Supporting Terror.......
Why not? Time to be Dicks about it.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:47 PM
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14. It was many more than fundies who support that, even today
However, the Gitmo process is not applicable to US citizens in country.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:02 PM
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17. Is the person innocent until proven guilty in a court of law just like those in Guatanamo
Of course - progressives shouldn't be any quicker to decide someones guilt than they are to defend the innocents of those in Guatanamo - people deserve a fair trial whether you like them or not.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:09 PM
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18. Of course he does
And then---fire up Ol' Sparky!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:20 PM
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21. He would deserve a fair trial even if he murdered a hundred doctors
and there were a thousand eye-witnesses.

What happened in the last eight years doesn't impact this situation in the slightest degree.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:21 PM
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22. "Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake." n/t
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Wraith20878 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:26 PM
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23. yes
regardless of how we personally feel about them, everyone deserves equal protection of the law, both the criminal and the victim. John Adams defended the British Soldiers of the Boston Massacre because he believed they deserved a fair trial, and legal council.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:30 PM
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24. Yes - a fair trial as a domestic terrorist.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:43 PM
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25. How about a little rendition trip before any trial? Just like other accused terrorists.
How about ... oh, say, ... Yemen?
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:46 PM
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26. Yes (nt)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:47 PM
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27. Yes, America's Taliban doesn't deserve a martyr.
Of course that won't stop them from playing victim and trying to twist this to be about themselves.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:48 PM
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28. Of course...
he does.

Just like anyone else who commits a crime.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:50 PM
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29. Yes, because this is America.
If we can't show even the lowest of the low what justice looks like, we may as well dismantle the Constitution completely.

Our forefathers didn't give up their lives for us to live like outside of the rule of law.
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Kontora Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:51 PM
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32. Ditto.
Everyone deserves a fair trial, how cares what George Bush allowed before.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:51 PM
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30. This shouldn't even have to be asked.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:51 PM
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31. One more thing: we don't need to overhaul our justice system for this murder.
We already have laws in place to take care of this.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:54 PM
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33. Yes, he deserves a fair trial
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:00 PM
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34. They may not deserve a fair trial but we do.
Our emotions make some concepts hard to stomach at time but for the sake of our civilization we need them and must embrace them.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:01 PM
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35. of course he does.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:02 PM
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36. Off to Gitmo with him, and let him get in line with the other terrorists
waiting for a fair trial.
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