MSNBC reports arrest made in slaying of "LATE-TERM ABORTION DOCTOR"

I'm surprised they didn't call him a "partial birth abortion doctor" and really seal the deal in using rhetoric to please the right wing.


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WICHITA, Kansas - Late-term abortion doctor George Tiller, a prominent advocate for abortion rights wounded by a protester more than a decade ago, was shot and killed Sunday at his church in Wichita, his attorney said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31029377/

Unbelievable. :argh:

That this was a blatant act of Chritianist Terrorism.

Subtext: They deserved it.

really guys, you're reading more into it than there is really.

the article on the whole is very sympathetic to the doctor, and nowhere does it make anything even remotely resembling a claim that "he got what he deserved".

/also notes that I didn't say anything about the body text.

Nothing of the hate and incitement that's come from the anti-choice people for decades now.

tabloid news

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5755122

And we posted at the EXACT same time! :rofl:

"abortion doctor" is incorrect.

If a dermatologist was killed, would people just call him/her a "doctor"?

Would you call a dermatologist "an acne doctor"?

Get real .......................

You don't know the man's professional history?

He was what is called - these are very big words now, so maybe you'll need your Mommy to help you sound them out - "a gynecologist/obstetrician."

Can you say "gynecologist/obstetrician"?

:sarcasm:

Maybe we should call him a pap smear doctor.

He's an OB/GYN for goodness sakes.

The doctor may be best known for brain surgery, but he could perform other types of surgery.

I just think the outrage over the media calling him an abortion doctor -- when he was widely known for performing abortions -- is kind of silly (but not totally unexpected).

usually used incorrectly, since neurosurgeons do things other than brain surgery.

Just like calling this gentleman "an abortion doctor" is incorrect.

NOW you've got it................

which is very specific.

I highly doubt that was what he did for most of his day, and they say it is a rare procedure period.

is ridiculous by itself. The man was an OB/GYN and family practitioner. Pap smears. Birth control. Anything and everything to do with female reproductive health.

Google it.

pap smears
birth control

and a host of other things.

I guess Abortion Services are just way sexier to the freaks.

He was killed because of the work he did and was an advocate for, noted in the headline.

You are reaching, but not grasping.

This doctor was PROUD of of his work as a late term abortion doctor. He was an EXPERT. He provided wonderful care and kept his patients alive. And he was an ADVOCATE for the procedure, when women needed it to avoid, oh, dying.

He wasn't ashamed. Why are you?

You misunderstand me and are making some very big assumptions. My question has nothing to do with Dr. Tiller--it has to do with the sensationalist way in which the media portray him.

To insinuate that I am or was ashamed of anything is really beneath you.

Posters are bending over backward to call this doctor something other than what he called HIMSELF: a provider of LATE TERM ABORTION CARE. That's on his website. That's why he was murdered.

They are getting angry with people for referring to this doctor as he referred to himself.

He wasn't just a late term provider, he was a late term ADVOCATE. He wasn't ashamed of what he did. Hell, he DIED for it.

I just don't understand these people trying to sweep this man's main purpose in life, his central focus, his difficult and challenging life's work, under the rug, and try to reduce him to "OB/GYN."

He provided a rare service that was hard to obtain--he had a record of safety and care he was proud of. He ran a clinic that focused on providing a specific service. He specialized in a rare procedure and had patients come to him from all over the WORLD.

He wasn't a simple OB/GYN. He was an OB/GYN who specialized in the very rare and challenging area of Late Term Abortion care.

Why are people here trying to ignore his work and the reason he died? What is UP with that? And why are they getting angry at people who aren't about to forget why this man was murdered? Or what he did for a living to help others?

There is some stepping back that needs to be done here, certainly. Again, I invite you to reexamine this thread.

I have made my points clearly and even provided excerpts from the Doctor's own website to back it up.

Got it.

Sorry, not as fucking stupid as you think I am.

YOUR cheesy insinuations, frankly. You're the one who's afraid of the word ABORTION. You're the one getting mad at anyone who dares to say it in a frank manner.

And I think my assessment of you is right on the mark--it's pretty evident by your childish snark, argumentative tone and your fear of the "A" word.

Idiots.

who think that a date or a title is more important than the fact that a man was just killed, that wackoes on the right are celebrating a murder.

What is it? Is it the need to post and you really have nothing to add? Why hijack a thread about an atrocity to discuss whether it was two o'clock versus three o'clock?

i'm sure you don't want to give the impression that you approve of the murder, but to jump in with nothing more than a quibble over nomenclature is to trivialize the act.

Perspective please.

who think that a date or a title is more important than the fact that a man was just killed, that wackoes on the right are celebrating a murder.

What is it? Is it the need to post and you really have nothing to add? Why hijack a thread about an atrocity to discuss whether it was two o'clock versus three o'clock?

i'm sure you don't want to give the impression that you approve of the murder, but to jump in with nothing more than a quibble over nomenclature is to trivialize the act.

Perspective please.

Why is it of such importance that you would use twenty replies on a thread about a murder to argue a point of semantics? That is hijacking a thread and leading it into inane squabbling over which end of the egg to open.

Now you can snipe at this and then use the bandwidth to go after anyone who disagrees with you about the number of angels on the head of a pin. It will effectively stop examination on this thread of the point of the OP. I won't be back to help kick it back up.

Damn, how dense can you be?

Using a single procedure is meant to debase the rest of the comprehensive medical care he provided to women.

That's why it's incorrect.

What about "Life saving, sought after women's doctor"? You'll never see that one. And that's what he was.

him rather than the murder itself.

He's a doctor that was widely known for performing abortions.....so yes it's an accurate description.

It just goes to show that there are extremists on both sides of the coin. (although the pro-choice side doesn't resort to killing people)

in an underhanded manner.

There is nothing "extremist" about that. That's just common sense.

It is the intentional inflammatory language that directly contributes to what happened today.

Thanks for doing your part!

Jesus Christ!

Roe v. Wade and abortion rights are here to stay, no matter what M$NBC calls Dr. Tiller.

not FLAprogressive.

Media matters.

And based on what you wrote about R vs W & abortion rights, I can tell you are CLUELESS as to the subject.

What's so "progressive" about you anyway, sir?

He did a very rare thing in his practice, and he knew it. He had a great deal of experience and expertise in doing that work, and he advertised that fact on his website.

I find it odd that you have a problem with the term "late term abortion care" when that is what the doctor put up on his own website. It's almost like you are conflicted about the practice, and find something wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with a doctor who specialized in a procedure that is a sad, difficult and necessary one in some dire circumstances. He was an honest man who did honest, responsible work. He was an ADVOCATE for that work, too--why do you want to sweep his work under the rug?

The OP (not me) made a justifiable point about the lazy labeling of this ob/gyn which I agreed with.

If you are inexperienced about the language of anti-choice and how easily that is picked up in the mainstream (this thread, even), you need to school yourself.

This is a corollary issue about how those issues are handled in the media and the bias it engenders.

I've been a long term advocate for women, women's choice, and women's healthcare. You'd be stupid to try to draw those kind of strawman arguments on me.

That's what the late Dr. Tiller called HIMSELF.

Who are any of us to reduce his life's work to "Oh, he did pap smears, he was an OB/GYN?"

That IS what's happening on this thread.

I'm very "experienced" about language, and what I'm seeing is that a lot of people here are squeamish about the phrase "Late Term Abortion." I don't know why, it seems like some of them fear the right bringing up the word, or something.

They could take a lesson from the late Dr. Tiller, who advocated the procedure to save the lives of women--and was so unafraid of the term that everyone here is leaping away from that he USED IT AS A HEADLINE ON HIS WEBSITE.

So, "strawman" my left foot. I see what I'm seeing here, and it's pretty pathetic. People here are AFRAID of the word ABORTION. They'd rather pretend this doctor who did a very rare procedure and had patients who came to him for it from all over the world was "just" an OB/GYN, and sweep his life's work--the work he advocated, and died for-- under the rug.

:sarcasm:

Transparent as glass.

necessary and difficult work he did. I don't see any shame and I don't see any reason to flinch. The guy did a job that a lot of people might have a hard time doing, but it was a very necessary job.

You obviously have not seen his website, otherwise you wouldn't continue with this insistence that he was a simple OB/GYN or keep on insulting people who recognize and respect the tough work he did. The entire website deals with the specific and rare procedure that he performed. It's ALL ABOUT the work he did. He even provided statistics. He was proud of his record of providing a safe procedure for women with a low rate of complications.

Another page from his site: http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:wfaS_ayW3p0J:www.drtiller.com/fasum.html+late+term+abortion+care,+our+facilities,+george+tiller&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Late Abortion Care

Executive Summary

George R. Tiller M.D., P.A.
Fetal Indications Termination of Pregnancy Program
January 1989 to May 2002


Number of Patients: 2,210


Categories of fetal anomalies, in descending order of frequency:

Central Nervous System (42.9%)
Genetic (19.4%)
Skeletal (9.5%)
Cardiac (5.4%)
Renal (4.2%)
Pulmonary (1.4%)
Fetal infection (1.3%)
Gastrointestinal (1.2%)
Premature Membrane Rupture (1.1%)
Twin/Twin Transfusion (0.4%)
Other / Miscellaneous (13.2%)
Average gestation: 27 weeks (range: 15-38 weeks)

Procedure used:

Induction (81.6%)
D&E (11.7%)
Combined Induction / D&E (5.6%)
Other (0.7%)
Consult only (0.5%)
Average induction time: 2.5 hours

36.8% - 1 hour or less
59.4% - 2 hours or less
84.6% - 4 hours or less
Complication / hospitalization rate: 0.51%

Percentage of fetuses on which special studies were performed:

Autopsy or tissue samples taken (11.2%)
Chromosomes, amniotic fluid, or fetal blood (4.7%)
Both categories of studies (1.8%)
No special studies requested (82.2%)
Average age of patients: 29 years (range: 13-56 years)

Ethnic background of patients:

Caucasian (77.1%)
Hispanic (5.8%)
Asian (5.8%)
African-American (3.9%)
Other (1.4%)
Not specified (1.5%)
Marital status of patients:

Married (81.1%)
Single (14.2%)
Separated / Divorced (3.1%)
None or not specified (1.5%)
Religious backgrounds of patients:

Protestant (36.2%)
Catholic (32.5%)
Jewish (3.7%)
Other (4.5%)
None or not specified (23.0%)
Educational level of patients:

Less than 12 years (12.3%)
Completed High School / GED (36.2%)
Completed College (36.7%)
Graduate School (12.8%)
Not specified (2.0%)


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That's right, nobody is interested that he was murdered, just what he was called. :silly:

OB/GYN that he was.

some people have no class

These gutless fuckers never even read Roe v. Wade.

That's right, you clueless pricks - make the victim out to be a real villain.

Why don't you just come out and say HE NEEDED KILLING?

God in heaven, if this doesn't piss me off, nothing does.

I don't dare turn on the TV. Something will go fucking sailing around here if I do and I hear bullshit like that.......................

sheesh, CNN just said a "manhunt" is on for the killer. Um, I just listened to the news conference- he has been under arrest for hours, and arrangements have already been made to get him back to Wichita tonight.

Redux

Their agenda-laden choice of headlines won't change that.
Notice GM$NBC didn't say he was killed by a right wing Christian terrorist.


Fuck them and their 'qualified' news.

They hide behind their evening lineup, but this sort of shit is where they excel.

At least Faux is open about what they are.

but I honestly believed that a network carrying KO and Rachel and now Ed was somehow better than Fox.

I was wrong ................

Its all very subtle. The choice of words. The way a story gets edited.

You know how Politico seems oh so reasonable .... until the chips are down? Same thing with MSNBC.

Sure, I'll still watch the evening lineup. They're not affected (too much).

blows me away. Label him however you want.

The truth of the matter is this: If he was a doctor who had never performed an abortion of any kind, OB/GYN or not, we'd never have heard about it on the news, and there wouldn't be a hundred threads on DU about him today.

Search DU for a thread about an oncologist who's been murdered. Or a orthopedic surgeon. Or a dermatologist. Or doctor of radiology. Or any doctor in any medical field who has never performed an abortion. I'm sure there are many.

Face it: If we didn't know what he did, we'd never know who he was. And there would be not a single thread expressing outrage over his murder today.

Be pissed off at me for stating this if it makes you feel better.

I am pro-choice. My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married. My oldest daughter had an abortion two years ago. So you can't say I'm being hypocritical on this point.

DU'ers have been starting angry threads about how the M$M describes him. There would likely be a total absence of threads about him if he hadn't been who they say he was.

You're obviously an anti-progressive, sexist, woman-hating, anti-choice zealot for suggesting this!

This is a progressive issue.

It shouldn't be about what the media calls it -- it should be about the action the murderer took.

Did any of those other doctors you mentioned get killed specifically because of services they provided to women, in exercise of their rights?

If you are that unknowing about the powerful effects of language, "scapegoating", and debasement, you really need to educate yourself on the 30+ yrs of history on the subject as it regards women's reproductive rights.

It's a fact. That's why he was killed by the RW terrorist.....

It wasn't because he performed pap smears or gave out birth control. If it was, every OB/GYN would be dead.

a full range of Ob/gyn services, including abortion. He was a physician, not an abortionist.

So YES, he was killed because he performed abortions. You absolutely cannot deny it. The other services he may have offered have NOTHING to do with his murder.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has a thick skull.

:crazy:

but don't provide abortion?

It's a fact that doctors who provide abortions are often murdered by extremists. That doesn't make it right WHATSOEVER.

But in your quest to frame me and others as anti-choice, woman-hating zealots, you say we think it was somehow "justified". It so obviously wasn't.

Sometimes you just can't call a spade a spade here without offending someone.

Just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

You're a man, I don't expect you to be familiar with women's clinics and ob /gyns offices.

I didn't frame you as anything. I just pointed out how easily you fell into the linguistic trap of the extremist right-wing.

Calling him a "baby killing Nazi abortionist baby killer" would be right wing.

Did he not provide late term abortions? Judging by people like you he was nationally known for his pap smears......

Or, if you prefer Sir, let's call him DEAD ABORTION DOCTOR.

:grr:

Have a look, before it's scrubbed completely. That's what the late doctor called HIMSELF.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:5GA-IlmmIBIJ:www.drtiller.com/+tiller+website&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I agree with you--he was not killed for removing genital warts. He was killed because of his job and his advocacy of that job. And his job was "late term abortion provider."

I don't understand why people are getting angry at the media for being accurate, for a change.

Martin Luther King wasn't murdered because he was a minister. It was 'that thing' he did that put him in the national spotlight that caused some nitwit to gun him down. Same deal with this poor man.

His website advertised LATE TERM ABORTION CARE. It's been taken down, but here's the cache: http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:5GA-IlmmIBIJ:www.drtiller.com/+tiller+website&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Women's Health Care Services is a professional organization dedicated to providing expert, confidential, and respectful abortion care. We have a national and international reputation for providing the highest quality abortion services in a safe and caring environment. Kindness, courtesy, justice, love and respect are the cornerstones of our patient-provider relationships.

We have an unparalleled record of safey in late abortion services and we have more experience in late abortion services over 24 weeks than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere, Europe and Australia.


"Women and Families are intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, and ethically competent to struggle with complex health issues -- including abortion -- and come to decisions that are appropriate for themselves."

-- George R. Tiller, M.D., DABFP
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Am I wrong?

That's just warped.

I had a stalker obsessed about my eyes. Maybe I should change my name, too.

This could create a lot of unnecessary paperwork.

a doctor who performed "late term abortions" or "late term abortions". I've seen it both ways. We want outrage over his murder, but we don't want people to know WHY we're outraged.

Does that not seem strange?

as calling him a doctor who was targetted for performing late stage abortions. You know that what is fronted counts.

That's the part I don't understand. We want to be angry because he was murdered because of what he did, but we don't want the press to talk about it.

enemies of women's choice use. Abortion is not a neutral term in the press and especially the way it is being used. That's why.

If you think about the way the right wing abducts language, you'll see pretty quickly why calling this man an "abortion doctor" seems like a slam on a murder victim and also a slam against women.

/grammar

Seeing as that's what he was most noted for and why he was targeted (twice).

ridiculous

that this man is dead today.

I wouldn't hesitate to make it clear though, that he provided "late term abortions". The term "intact dilatation and extraction" could be used I guess, but it might leave a lot of my readers scratching their heads. Since the US National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health use the term "late term abortion", I don't think it's out of line to use it in a story about a doctor who performed the procedure and was murdered for it.

Please make no mistake. I'm very sorry this happened. I'm sick of living in a country where a belief makes a person think they're justified in murdering someone else.

My heart goes out to his family.

calling him that very thing?

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/014138.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/31/george-tiller-killed-abor_n_209504.html

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/abortion-doctor-murdered-in-church/

http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2009/05/abortion-doctor-murdered-in-kansas.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/31/737263/-Kansas-Doctor,-Abortion-Provider,-Assassinated-in-Church

Talk about your right-wing anti choice website

?

Inferior somehow?

Planned Parenthood is targeted all the time by the RW nutjobs even though only an infinitesimal percentage of their svcs include termination svcs.

Newsflash: They hate everything to do with OB/ GYN care! Birth control included - they think it's abortion too.

But hey, thanks for the clarification as to why the extremists hunted down & slaughtered this doctor.

You almost sound like you think he had it coming.

He sounds like he's perplexed at the outrage over the press mentioning what kind of services he performed. He's saying that if they HADN'T stated that fact, you'd never have heard about his murder in the first place, and there would be no threads on this forum about your run of the mill murdered doctor.

Your post sounds like you'd rather have that part hidden.

They described him by what he did. Yet no one wants that to be expressed.

How would you describe him to someone? As a "doctor"? Would you describe him as a "progressive (wink wink) doctor?

IF the outrage is that he was murdered because of what he DID, then why the outrage over the M$M putting it out there?

How would you PREFER for him to be described in a news story?

to paint a target on him.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Lots of Ob/Gyns provide medication abortions in the privacy of their offices - everyday.
They also supply birth control pills & IUDS, which many RWers consider murder too.
It is one of thousands of methods of care given to women.

Scapegoating this one doctor for a single procedure made it really easy to put the face of a monster on him and paint a target on his back.

If those nutjobs could ferret out and get to all the other ob/gyns providing similar services, they would.

I never knew OB/GYNs performed abortions in their office. Did you read my reply to the OP?

So how many threads would there be on DU about this man who, I agree, provided many beneficial services for women who needed it?

Could see the thread titles multiplying like rabbits? Oh. My. Fucking. God. Some crazy murdered an OB/GYN!

Than the label "abortion doctor".

So he's an abortion doctor. Not like there is anything wrong with that.

That fact that he was targeted and killed because he was an abortion doctor is certainly germane, and probably why the headline was picked.

If he was just a random doctor, it would be local news, not national.

pointing that out.

It's mindblowingly dumb.

Should we start with Obama?

to describe this victim, than the benign "abortion doctor"

btw, since when is Obama a victim?

You go first.

they call abortion doctors far worse.

You first what?

If the MSM called him a "baby killing abortionist Nazi", then there would be justifiable outrage.

But how was he not a "late term abortion doctor"? Was he killed for any other reason?

I don't think I can explain it more clearly.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/31/737263/-Kansas-Doctor,-Abortion-Provider,-Assassinated-in-Church

the daily kos even calls him one.

that identifying someone as an "abortion doctor" is a neutral term.

If you don't understand, that's fine. I don't understand things every day. There's no need to go into a full meltdown over it.

When?

"Dr. George Tiller has provided abortion services since 1973. He pioneered the use of sonogram imaging during surgery and other procedures that have been adopted as the standard of care for abortion providers nationwide."

"Women's Health Care Services is a professional organization dedicated to providing expert, confidential, and respectful abortion care. We have a national and international reputation for providing the highest quality abortion services in a safe and caring environment. Kindness, courtesy, justice, love and respect are the cornerstones of our patient-provider relationships. "

No mention of "OB/GYN" anywhere.

So yes he would have called himself an "abortion provider".

:rofl:

cut and pasted pages from it. The site is all about LATE TERM ABORTION CARE. It's not about pap smears. He even provides statistics over a three year period (over two thousand procedures) to demonstrate his low level of complications (under one percent). I posted that elsewhere in this thread. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:5GA-IlmmIBIJ:www.drtiller.com/+tiller+website&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Women's Health Services, PA. Specialists in 2nd Trimester Elective and 2nd/3rd Trimester Theraputic Abortion Care

Women's Health Care Services is a professional organization dedicated to providing expert, confidential, and respectful abortion care. We have a national and international reputation for providing the highest quality abortion services in a safe and caring environment. Kindness, courtesy, justice, love and respect are the cornerstones of our patient-provider relationships.

We have an unparalleled record of safey in late abortion services and we have more experience in late abortion services over 24 weeks than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere, Europe and Australia.


"Women and Families are intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, and ethically competent to struggle with complex health issues -- including abortion -- and come to decisions that are appropriate for themselves."

-- George R. Tiller, M.D., DABFP

This poor guy gave his life for his work. I don't understand why people want to pretend that this wasn't his life's work, when it was.
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:crazy:

But the OP didn't express any concern over the murder, just the headline.

But I'm sure he OP isn't happy about the murder either. It isn't however what he or she decided to write about.

These assholes that gunned down a man while he was in church, as if that isn't fucked up enough, are as willfully ignorant as they come.

They claim to be pro-life. Yet they shot a man to death. Do they not see the dreadful irony in that situation?


Can they not understand that the right to abortion doesn't mean that all women must get an abortion? Not all people believe in their god. In fact, a large portion of this country thinks they are all full of shit. And yet they think that it is their job to impose their own beliefs on all of us.

And if they can't win court cases, they start shooting people.

Let me tell you something. I'm an opponent of the death penalty, but these assholes really shake my convictions to the core.

I suspect he was targeted precisely because he is one of a minority of doctors who performs late stage abortions. I can't blame the news for reporting it that way.

according to most of the posters here

Which makes sense. Just use his fucking title and stop being an ass.

You don't even need to use the full name. Just say "OBGYN" and you're good.

But he was by no means an "abortion doctor".

to shut down services to people who need them.

Fuck them.

But calling him an abortion doctor is using a loaded term. It means something different than an OB/GYN that performs abortions.

And that, by any measure, is wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5755788

Wht on earth?

It helps make up for all the assholes who like to yell us down on stuff they will never experience, but certainly want a say on.

It's your body, end of story.

I feel so angry right now. :hug:

It's not like he was a moonlighting foot doctor.

They do plenty wrong in the media, but that simply describes the guy's work, the area he focused on, and his advocacy of the issue. It's not insulting in any fashion. It's what he did.

I mean, really, no one killed him because he did a bad job lancing a boil or attending to an ingrown toenail.

We all know why he was gunned down, murdered--his job had something to do with it.

Did the dermatologist ADVOCATE for a particular type of wart removal, and have a record of excellence removing warts?

Is wart removal, in your silly little construct, a rare and difficult to obtain procedure, and did your dermatologist have a record of providing superb care in wart removal?

Are there fundies opposed to wart removal, in your nutty example, who have protested the dermatologist and threatened his life for removing warts?

You apparently never saw the doctor's own web site. He FOCUSED on "Late Term Abortion Care." He knew that is what the vast majority of anyone looking for his website was interested in. He touted his quality of care and his record of safe outcomes for the procedure on his website. He discussed the procedure in detail. He was not ashamed to be known as a Late Term Abortion Provider.

Why are people here ashamed to call him what he spent his life--and in the end, GAVE HIS LIFE--advocating for? He felt no shame. His patients felt no shame--they were grateful to him.

Why do you find something shameful in an honest man providing a distressing, but very needed service that required no small degree of expertise?

That's what I find very odd, here.

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That he provided medical care for women in desperate need of it. Women who wanted their babies, but would place their own lives in jeopardy to attempt delivery. Women in a most horrible situation.

It's all the same to the anti-choice forces, and it feels to me like the media is happily going along for their ride.

A man was murdered today. In cold blood. And the media is spending their time judging HIM.

yes.

It reeks of blaming the victim. :puke: :cry: