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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:28 PM
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Would A Fatwa Calling F/The Assassination Of Abortion Providers Be Considered Protected Free Speech?
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 10:29 PM by KittyWampus
How about the issuance of a fatwa calling for the assassination of a specific abortion provider?

I watched Keith Olbermann and then tried Rachel tonight. Rachel had on Turley who said that calling for the murder of doctors is protected free speech. Rachel failed to ask him about whether calling for the murder of a specific individual is protected. That was when I turned her off. She also failed to confront Turley with the fact Roeder had OR's phone number with him when arrested and had communicated with them in the past.

But the question arose in my mind- is calling for the murder of a specific individual really something that falls under Free Speech? Especially when that call is accompanied by obsessive focus on that individual's actions?
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:45 PM
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1. No of course that isn't protected free speech.
And Turley is a Libertarian who is also an idiot.

How would he feel if we called for HIS murder? Would Turkey (sic) think that was just fine?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:45 PM
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2. I think the courts have found that...
directly calling for someones death is not protected.

Most hate organizations are smarter than that.

They use terms like "must be stopped", "someone has to stop him", "if he isn't stopped he will keep killing every single day".

Then they use terms like "it is righteous to kill in defense of others" or something like that.

2+2=4. The 2 + 2 are legal and they stop just short of saying 4. Then in court there defense is "we had no idea he was going to kill. We only meant for protests, civil disobedience" etc.

It is very hard to shut down hate peddlers of all types simple because the "good ones" the smart ones know exactly where that protected line is.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:20 PM
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3. I'll go with the "no" votes until...
a lawyer with some criminal law and free speech experience shows up and explains it better.

It's my understanding that "free speech" does not allow one to call for criminal acts to be performed. One can discuss such things in general, but I would guess such a fatwa wouldn't be allowed as either protected speech or religious speech.

There was a similar case about a website a while ago with the names and pictures of abortion providers with targets over them and some sort of congratulatory notation if and when some were shot. The owner of the website was tried, but I don't remember how it all ended. Perhaps someone else remembers this better than I do.



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