30 Dr. Tiller threads - Anyone want to talk about the two Soldiers shot at a recruiting station?

A man with "political and religious motives" killed a soldier just out of basic training and wounded another Monday in a targeted attack on a military recruiting center, police said. The shootings were not believed to be part of a broader scheme.

A police report based on an interview with the suspect says Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, told police he observed two soldiers in uniform, drove up to the recruiting center and started shooting.
"He saw them standing there and drove up and shot them," Lt. Terry Hastings told The Associated Press. "That's what he said."

he two soldiers who were shot had completed basic training within the past two weeks and were not regular recruiters, said Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis of the Oklahoma City Recruiting Battalion, which oversees the Little Rock office.


William Long, 23, of Conway, died, and Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, was wounded and in stable condition, Police Chief Stuart Thomas said.
Both men were from nearby hometowns and volunteered to work at the recruiting center to attract other locals to the military. "They can show the example, `Here's where I was, and here is where I am,'" Artis said.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_re_us/us_recruiters_shot

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Honestly, what the hell is wrong with people?

Turns out the shooter just got back from YEMEN. He was arrested in YEMEN for using a Somali passport.

Ain't that .... special?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3902720

Got me all pissed off and I neglected my search fu after I didnt see anything on the front page...

I miss stuff on occasion, too!

I am sure it will work wonders at getting your point across. See?

I honestly don't care how you take it...

Handle discussing two things at once? Seriously? There is help for that, you know.

One does not negate the other and most adults are fully capable of discussing two things at once. And if there's something you want to talk about, you're fully capable of starting your own thread - as you've proven with this one.

The only point I'm taking from this thread is that you like to lecture people about whose murder is more important. I think they both equally suck and the only thing they have in common is that the perpetrators both used religion as an excuse to kill other human beings. Two deluded men decided their god wasn't powerful enough and decided to do his work for him. Just as the operation rescue scumsucker decided killing a doctor would save lives, this religiously deluded psychopath decided that by killing american soldiers, he'd save muslim lives.

Religion, ain't it grand? And so good for the community!

I hope the Dr. Tiller threads continue. He was a great man who should never be forgotten.

The Murder of Dr. Tiller, a Foreshadowing

by Cristina Page

For those who would like to think today's murder in church of Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, is an isolated incident, here's the horrifying news: You are wrong. The pattern is clear and frightening.

In March 1993, three months into the administration of our first pro-choice president, Bill Clinton, abortion provider Dr. David Gunn was murdered in Pensacola, Florida. That was the beginning of what would become a five-fold increase in violence against abortion providers throughout the Clinton years.

Today's assassination of Dr. George Tiller comes 5 months into the term of our second pro-choice president. For anyone who would like to believe that this is a statistical anomaly, a coincidence that doesn't portend anything, again, you are wrong.

During the entire Bush administration, from 2000-2008 there were no murders.

During the Clinton era, between 1994-2000 there were 6 abortion providers and clinic staff murdered, and 17 attempted murders of abortion providers. There were 12 bombings or arsons during the Clinton years.

During the Bush administration, not only were there no murders, there were no attempted murders. There was one clinic bombing during the Bush years.

One can only conclude that like terrorist sleeper cells, these extremists have now been set in motion. Indeed the evidence is already there. The chatter, the threats, the hate-filled rhetoric are abundant.

In the last year of the Bush administration there were 396 harassing calls to abortion clinics. In just the first four months of the Obama administration that number has jumped to 1401.

More: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/01-1

Honestly, the point is that two young American Soldiers were shot down in a recruiting station and it gets one thread on LBN, half of which is how it HAS to be a disgruntled Vet or mother of some PTSD Soldier.

In contrast the shooting of a civilian doctor gets page after page of threads and comments and messages of support.

It shows what the priorities are around here and some (most?) around here may like them that way. I just want to draw attention to it.

Had these not been recuiters, the story wouldn't have merited mention on national news in America. And maybe wouldn't have been worth more than a byline in a city paper.

We do not, for example, have a major media outlet that has been basically rooting for the assassination of military recruiters, let alone targeting the specific recruiters, by name, who were shot.

Take a step back. Fox has been not subtlety at all calling for the assassination of 'Tiller the Killer' over the airwaves, and now Dr. Tiller has been killed. Take another step back. We are approaching a Rwanda-like situation here. We aren't there yet, but we have just crossed a line that should never be crossed in a civil society.

and had help- as well as gave help to, others.

appeal to the voyeur in us more than others, but this is also an important... and sad... story.

0.2?

By the way, LBN rules restrict threads per subject to 'one'.

Other than scolding DU for not posting as many threads on this topic as you would like, what EXACTLY do you want discussed about this tragedy?

Also, LBN is not supposed to be filled with repeating stories.

I look forward to your comments on the killing of these young soldiers at the recruiting station.

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DU must obsess about something. Often you will find poster after poster starting new threads and saying nothing different than has already been said over and over.

I think there is a point too, but I was hoping the OP was just going to up and blurt it out rather than my having to guess.

I don't think you can find many American who will publicly say they are not appalled by the killing of the soldier.

There are plenty of people giving each other high fives over the killing of the Dr.

All of the victims were involved in professions that some morally question.

in an occupation and an undeclared war, on a regular basis.

They are just as dead.

Your agenda is showing.

What is my agenda?

Both of the murders you mention were perpetrated by religious wack jobs.

Fundies of any stripe are dangerous.

- both anti-government
- both within Obama's first six months
- both from religous extremists

My biggest fear is that the cult of X-tian Soldiers are going to take their holy war to our soil.
They're going to lump the liberals in with the Muslims and everyone else who's not them.
Now they feel more justified - thanks to this sick fuck.

There will be more of this.

Oh. Kay. :crazy:

not much different than the excuse of protecting late term babies and killing a doctor. I condemn both actions without reservation, both are domestic terrorism acts and find it consistent that the sympathy is isolated to people that many on DU agree with.

If no, then there's no comparison.

unfortunately, because of his name (I can't say religion, because what he did is not condoned by Islam), once again all Muslims will be vilified. I know many who live very quietly and in fear because of death threats and threats of losing their jobs since 911.