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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:03 PM
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whatever happened to the Page scandal?
Last I remember Hastert was in hot water, along with a bunch of other folks. Haven't heard anything in at least a couple months.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:03 PM
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1. We won.
:thumbsup:
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:05 PM
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2. oh so it really was just a political move?
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 04:05 PM by garybeck
i'd say that borders on the hypocritcal. not that i hate america or anything. i just like to see justice served.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:07 PM
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5. Hypocritical?
You just want to see justice served?

Would you even be asking if Foley hadn't been a congressman?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:12 PM
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9. yes, maybe I don't know enough about it. but as I understand
there was evidence that Hastert knew the pages were being harrassed, and he did nothing.

that's a coverup.

and yes, if Foley worked for some company, not the government, and his boss was covering up what he was doing, I would equally want his boss to get fired. It has nothing to do with whether Foley worked for the government or not.

It's about the Pages, it's about protecting them, preventing further abuse, and justice.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:13 PM
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11. As far as criminal justice is concerned...
until I hear otherwise, I'll be content to let law enforcement and the courts take care of it.

However, a different kind of justice got served last november.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:19 PM
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14. If Hastert knew there was funny business going on and did nothing,
I believe that is a crime. Some of the kids are minors.

I believe if it were outside of politics but a similar situation, and say Foley's mother or boss or friend knew what he was doing and covered it up, he would be investigated and probably prosecuted.

I don't have as much faith in the criminal justice system as you do. The easiest thing to do is not investigate.

I mean, maybe if someone said there was no clear evidence of wrong doing beyond Foley, then I would let it go. But last I remember it was starting to look like there was a coverup going on. But then the issue just fell off the face of the earth.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:22 PM
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16. Now I can't remember the details.
I believe he informed capitol police, but was involved in a political cover up. Maybe capitol police are corrupt, but that's a whole other issue.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:29 PM
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20. just remember this
in many states it's a crime to even discuss sexually explicit subjects with a minor on the internet.

in most states, it's a crime to set up a meeting with a minor, with sexual intentions. no act has to occur.

i've seen several documentaries on this... sting operations are set up. all they have to do is get the person to engage in sexual conversation with a minor and they go to jail.

foley did stuff that people go to jail for.

he lost his job but he didn't go to jail. didn't get fined. he's not on a list of sexual harrassers. He should be.

And anyone who knew what was going on and didn't immediately do something about it should be investigated.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:05 PM
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3. Can you spell E-V-A-P-O-R-A-T-E-D? Blame it on global warming if it makes you feel better.
There are so many scandals involving the GOP, I guess the Dems are going to have to be selective in the ones they invest time in.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:08 PM
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6. well I wanted to see Hastert go down.
i'm tired of seeing Jaba the hut.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:12 PM
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10. Yes, that would be sweet. And well deserved.
I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't rear its ugly head again, though. These investigations are going to stir up a lot of sludge that's been allowed to fall to the bottom.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:07 PM
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4. Scandal? What scandal?
that is SOP for the scum we elect
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:33 PM
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21. the scandal was that people knew it was going on and did nothing about it, and
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 04:34 PM by garybeck
then they lied about it, saying they didn't know it was going on, when evidence showed they did.

that's a scandal... if there weren't 20 other investigations going on, it could have brought down hastert.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:09 PM
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7. Whatever happened to anthrax?
In the anthrax case people were murdered.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:09 PM
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8. That was in the past.
Congress has turned over a new page.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:14 PM
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12. Too many scandals happening all at the same time.
Not enough time to investigate all of them!!1!!
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:18 PM
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13. Well, the scandal seems to have died, but the page program???
After Foley, The Page Program Thrives

Tuesday, Apr. 03, 2007 By TRACY SAMANTHA SCHMIDT/WASHINGTON


Congressional pages wait to greet President George W. Bush as he
speaks at a joint session of Congress, January 23, 2007.


Any publicity is good publicity — or so it seems for the House page program, which is now thriving with applicants.

In the wake of the Foley scandal, some House members are calling for the suspension, if not the end, of Congress' venerable study program

Before last fall, relatively few Americans knew much about the page program. Even fewer knew of Congressman Mark Foley. In September, news broke that Foley, a Florida Republican, had sent sexually explicit e-mails and instant messages to a male former page in 2005. Foley immediately resigned, and House Republican leaders came under fire for not taking any action, despite being warned about Foley's inappropriate actions with male pages as early as 2003. House Democrats demanded an investigation, and a handful of Congress members called for the page program's immediate suspension.

more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1606249,00.html

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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:20 PM
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15. yeah, that story is what got me wondering what ever happened to the investigation.
nt
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:28 PM
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19. I s'pose that since the Dems are in charge now....
...and Foley's gone, parents must feel its safe to send their kids to Washington again???
:dem:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:23 PM
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17. oops
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 04:24 PM by blogslut
posted in the wrong thread
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:24 PM
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18.  It went down the Orwell memory hole
Along with most everything else as the new issues flood in they too will vanish , this is one reason people never seem to learn and why so many criminals in high places get away and return later to commit more lies and crimes .
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:38 PM
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22. Repub report said nobody did anything wrong per the law,
even if they didn't do everything that morality dictated. The problem boils down to a knowledge problem: Until the IMs surfaced, all anybody had was a creepy e-mail or two, rumors, and clearly aberrant behavior. Nobody checked out the rumors, the behavior itself wasn't illegal; the law requires actions based on facts, and it's a judgement call as to what level of rumor merits and investigation. No evidence of anything clearly illegal under federal or DC law has been cited in the press.

Federal agencies have pretty much written it off; age of consent in DC is 16, varies in other states but the only actual sex anybody knows of happened with somebody over 21. His clearly explicit written stuff was usually reserved for those over 18, i.e., older is prosecutable. Under 18 meant suggestive, but that's about all. The ex-page may still be in high school, but Foley kept track of the birthdays.

There's the possibility that he did, however, cross the line wrt Florida law. The FBI and Florida law enforcement are still reported (last week or so) working on it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 07:03 PM
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23. Saw something in the last 2 to 4 weeks that Florida was still involved
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