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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:33 AM
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Hello? This thing on? US Death Toll in Iraq surpasses 5,000 on June 2
Here's one lonely post by a DUer who noticed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5767342&mesg_id=5767342

And Google news gives me one Lonely article

As Wars' Death Toll Passes 5,000, Military Families Urge President Obama to Bring All Our Troops Home Now
http://www.rcreader.com/news-releases/as-wars-death-toll-passes-5000-military-families-urge-president-obama-to-bring-all-our-troops-home-now/

Written by MFSO
Tuesday, 02 June 2009 14:27

Nationwide - As the nation awaits confirmation from the Pentagon of the 5,000th death of a U.S. service member in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, members of Military Families Speak Out are mourning the dead and calling on President Obama to honor the sacrifices of these service members and their families and honor all of those who serve by acting swiftly to end both wars.

Warren Henthorn of Choctaw, OK, the father of Army Spc. Jeffrey Henthorn who died in Iraq on Feb 8, 2005, says:

"Way too many have died on all sides of these wars. If I remember correctly, President Obama won the Democratic nomination based on the promise to end the war in Iraq. But, between Iraq and Afghanistan, at the end of this year we will actually have more troops in harm's way then we did at the height of the 'surge.' That's just as bad as we had it under President Bush. These wars now belong to President Obama. The blood is on his hands."


I see a problem here: how can we post something in LBN if it isn't being reported?

At all?

Huh?




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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:37 AM
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1. at least report accurately - isn't the Iraq count around 4,200?
5,000 is Iraq and Afghanistan.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:54 AM
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2. Sorry. Iraq PLUS Afghanistan brings combat deaths above 5K.
Still: these wars aren't going away by themselves. And we can't keep borrowing from China to pay for them forever.

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:57 AM
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3. I agree - and am disappoinnted we are not making faster progress.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:57 AM
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4. OMG....whatcha wanna bring up that Inconvenient Truth for??
Dont you know the Amerikan mantra...outta sight, outta mind?
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UnrepentantUnitarian Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:12 AM
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5. But...but...
Dick Cheney says invading Iraq saved lives! He can't be WRONG, can he?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:17 AM
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6. "That's their job." "We need someone to go when we say so." "They had a choice." "I can't do anythin
g about it."

I have lost my country.

:cry: :cry: :cry: . . .
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:21 AM
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7. Hey, it's all good now, haven't you heard?
It's now in the hands of Obama, which justifies everything, including keeping us involved in two illegal, immoral wars for as long as he wants us there.
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lokichogio Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:44 AM
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8. this is a no brainer
Democrat congress. Democrat president. What's preventing him
from bringing the troops home? Instead he wants to escalate in
Afghanistan. Doesn't make sense.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:41 PM
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11. It's actually 'democrat-ic' Congress and President
But you make a good point
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 10:05 AM
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9. I missed it. If you missed it too, Rec this thread so others don't this time. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:39 PM
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10. And that's low. How about over 1,000,000 dead Iraqi civilians?
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 03:40 PM by autorank
The 5,000 U.S. soldiers dead in combat are the basis of Vincent Bugliosi's charge of murder against George W. Bush.
He says Cheney and Rice are good candidates for that charge too. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0904/S00097.htm

But how about this. It's NEVER spoken of, well rarely. These deaths were due largely to civil strife that was
a known outcome of the invasion:

September 2007 – More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered

In the week in which General Patraeus reports back to US Congress on the impact the recent ‘surge’ is having in Iraq, a new poll reveals that more than 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have been murdered since the invasion took place in 2003.

Previous estimates, most noticeably the one published in the Lancet in October 2006, suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths).

These findings come from a poll released today by ORB, the British polling agency that has been tracking public opinion in Iraq since 2005. In conjunction with their Iraqi fieldwork agency a representative sample of 1,499 adults aged 18+ answered the following question:-

QHow many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (ie as a result of violence rather than a natural death such as old age)? Please note that I mean those who were actually living under your roof.

None 78%
One 16%
Two 5%
Three 1%
Four or more 0.002%

Given that from the 2005 census there are a total of 4,050,597 households this data suggests a total of 1,220,580 deaths since the invasion in 2003. Calculating the affect from the margin of error we believe that the range is a minimum of 733,158 to a maximum of 1,446,063

More: http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78

This study was updated in 2008 and the findings were very close. It followed the Johns Hopkins School of Public
Health study with nearly 660,000 dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
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