The kids are NOT alright!

A 21-year-old is sentenced to 30 days in jail for fucking his dog:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5780754

A 20-year-old who had been (ahem) "dating" a young woman for two weeks gets her drunk for the purpose of having her pass out so that he can rape her unconscious body -- and broadcast it live on the web.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5779714

A 25-year-old uses the God-almighty "Craigslist" to find a man to come to his home and rape his own wife.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5780953

And of course we've all heard at this point about the 14 and 15-year-old thugs who bullied for months then sodomized a teammate with a broom and a hockey stick.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5781134

Now I'm confused. Weren't we led to believe that the vast majority of young folks were supposed to be Indigo Children by now? Deep-souled, world-saving, a great leap forward in human evolution? What happened with all that? :shrug:

There are so many logical errors there I don't know where to start. :crazy:

I suggest to go to the library and look for a book called "Generation We".

...bell-bottoms.

Bell bottom trousers grew out of military clothing and were eventually assimilated into leisure wear and even professional attire.
Baggy pants grew out of prison fashion and have no potential to be professional attire, moreover the fact that they require walking oddly and holding them up one hand makes them more stupid than any item of essential clothing (ie shirt, pants) in history. I would add that this "fashion' is now in its third decade and is incredibly worn out.

Tie-dye shirts came from an ancient artform as opposed to t-shirts which say things like "thug", "pimp", and "suck on this" .

Long hair cannot be compared to a facial tattoo. Long hair, while a hindrance to employment at one time, could in time of need be easily remedied by cutting it off. A facial tattoo isn't as permanent as it once was, perhaps, but it's a pretty good sign that you never intend to be at the mercy of your average employer.

Superficially, the taller the horse, the better.

No, no. Seriously. Prison fashion. That's what you said, and lord help me I think you were serious about it, too.

Let me explain baggy pants to you. men have these things called testicles. They are contained in a pouch of skin known as a scrotum. Being in an area with a lot of blood flow, often insulated by hair and two layers of clothing, sandwiched between the legs, these interesting and versatile organs can often become hot, sweaty, itchy, uncomfortable and - unfortunately for spur-of-the-moment fellatio, rather odoriferous, even with the best of hygiene. Tight-fitting pants only compound the discomfort. When one is working outside or playing, the tight pants - in addition to the above irritations - can cause chafing, pinching, and restrict movement.

Enter... the baggy pants. While still not quite the perfect answer to a sweaty scrote, baggy pants are about the best you can get without wearing a kilt, allowing - and even causing, under certain pressure - air flow around the scrotum, cooling the skin and evaporating sweat. Additionally baggy pants allow a greater range of leg and hip movement at greater speeds with less discomfort than a tighter pair of pants. And last, but certainly not least, pants with wide, baggy legs simply have more surface area, which translates into more pocket space.

Baggy pants are thus a comfortable, utilitarian, and for those men (and women) who have, well, let's just call it "itching problems" - a medically sound choice of garment.

Prison fashion... Are you aware that the penitentiary assigns each inmate an orange jumpsuit? While I suppose if you've got a few years behind bars there's time to pick up sewing skills, prion garb isn't exactly conductive to fashion statements.

As for walking oddly... I've seen people try to walk in large bell bottoms without stepping on them. That's a pretty awkward gait.

And are you really going to call wrapping rubber bands around a T-shirt and then staining it with cheap wine "an ancient art form" and then go on to bash facial tattoos?



well, okay, technically moko are facial carvings... But the point still stands.

Prison fashion, jesus fuck, that's dumb.

I think, though, that the "baggy pants" the poster was describing are also the ones that are worn halfway down the ass, and need to be held up lest they fall down. Is there a reason baggy can't be worn at the waist?

Actually, the style, - combination baggy and "low riding", if you will - did INDEED arise from prison wear.

How do you get half-mast pants out of a jumpsuit?

is jump suit attire. ......That's how!

I'm sure there's a few prisons that use shirt and pants still. Most switched to jumpsuits in the 70's. It's more cost-effective. less laundry, fewer separate garments, that sort of thing. Also iy IS possible to tie off jumpsuits around the waist.

So alright. let's assume saggy (not baggy, some folks need to learn them some adjectives 'round here) pants originated in "prison fashion" - and further let's suppose that no one, anywhere else, ever, in the entire history of trousers, ever wore them around their ass for any reason at all.

How does this correlate to four kids anally raping a fifth with a broomstick? Please, explain this to me.

Further, since you and so many others apparently believe that low-riding pants are a symbol, and perhaps direct cause of societal breakdown... Do you also believe that any pants that fasten below the waist (i.e., "hip huggers") make a girl into a "slut" a "whore" or any other such colliquialism for a "loose, immoral woman"? because boy, my grandma sure did. Answer honestly, even if you're wearing a pair yourself, please.

"Prison Fashion" my rear end!

And obviously had some function in that regard, since they seemed to have gone out of style as the cultures which featured them were conquered and subordinated. I refer, of course, to my own ancestors the Picts.



Note that this drawing is not given historical credence as it is known who did it and what his influences were, but the PIcts were known to go over the top with body art.

You're really going to compare bellbottoms to this bullshit?



Care to speculate why this fashion is a male-only thing that, unlike sailor jeans, girls and women have overwhelmingly refused to adapt?

Would you like to explain why having one's pants hanging from your ass translates into being a murderous sociopathic rapist?

telling them to distinguish themselves with their "individual" commodified style.

Me? I just wear plain shirts or cheap polo shirts and jeans, sometimes a more dressy button-up shirt with it.

Haha, do you realize that you've turned into the grouchy old person that made tie-dyed shirts and long hair appeal to you at one time?

It is a lot of fun, but lets not pretend that it's precisely the same thing. The hippy aesthetic (which actually predates me) was a conformist nonconformism which represented an amalgam of resistance to war, authority, pollution, and what was viewed as the waste of life and creativity of 9 to fiving ones entire adult life. It was about environmentalism and getting back to nature, as well as using drugs for many people. In the dozens of different ways of characterizing it, you still can't equate that to haveing "thug" permanently marked on your body, glorifying some dumbassed idea of a criminal counter culture as resistance and a better way. The hippies objected to the police violating the constitution, the saggers by and large couldn't quote the constitution if they had it in front of them. At best they have a passing acquaintance with the Fifth Amendment rather than the FIfth Dimension.

My subgeneration on the other hand, glorified denial. We dressed up and danced and snorted cocaine off the vanities of the nicest places in town. We also worked to pay for it, but we didn't save a nickel in those years. Of course, some of us did. We called them dorks. Now we call them boss.

I have bell bottoms bought in the UK 5 years ago, long hair, tie dye, and the baggy ass urban look clothes. I wear them depending on my mood. Clothes are clothes. Plus baggy clothes leave more room to hang!

Skinny jeans are in.

There is a significant difference between the two. Baggy pants are a street fashion and skinny jeans are a designer fashion. Skinny jeans would give support to my mother's belief that some fashion designers actually hate women. They don't look good on anyone. If you are thin enough to wear them comfortably then you have no leg or calf muscles and are close to starvation. If you are hanging over the top of them, then you really need to get a three way mirror or a good friend to tell you what it really looks like. In the 1970's Calvin Klein invented a new jean that made the average ass look better than it would in the Levi's which required a superior ass to look great, but which did little harm to most people. Jordache took it one step farther, and invented a thin jean which only looked good on the average ass (but not bubble butt), and smushed all others into an ugly mess. I know, because when I could finally get into the size 29 Jordache, my behind looked like dough wrapped in plastic. Not pretty.

There are assholes in every generation, I think yours has the least I've seen so far.

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THE YOUTH CRIME PLAGUE
Monday, Jul. 11, 1977


Chicago. Johnny, 16, who had a long record of arrests for disorderly conduct, simple battery and aggravated assault, lured a motorist into an alley. He drew a .22-cal. pistol and shot the driver six times, killing him. Johnny was arrested yet again, but he was released because witnesses failed to show up in court. Today he is free.

New Orleans. Steven, 17, was first arrested for burglary when he was eleven and diagnosed as psychotic. But he kept escaping from the state hospital and was seized for 22 different crimes, including theft and attempted murder. Just four days after he was charged with robbery and attempted murder, he was arrested for raping and murdering a young nurse.

Hartford. Touché, 19, who earned his nickname by his dexterity with a switchblade, has been in trouble since he was eleven; he started fires, snatched pocketbooks, stole cars, burglarized homes, slashed and shot people. When a pal was locked up in Connecticut's Meriden Home for Boys, Touché broke in with a gun and freed him. Touché was placed in a specially built cell in Meriden because he had escaped from the institution 17 times.

Wilmington. Eric, 16, who had escaped conviction for a previous mugging charge, pleaded guilty to knocking down an 86-year-old woman and stealing her purse. Three months later, the woman is still hospitalized and is not expected to walk again. Eric was released into the custody of his father. Since then, he has been charged with three burglaries. Says Detective James Strawbridge: "He's going to kill somebody some day. and he's still out there."

Houston. Lawrence was 15 when he was charged with murdering two brothers in his neighborhood: Kenneth Elliott, 11, and Ronald Elliott, 12. Lawrence tied up Kenneth, castrated him and stabbed him twice in the heart. Then he cut off the boy's head, which he left about 50 feet from the body. He also admitted killing Ronald, whose body was never found, in similar fashion. Like all other offenders in juvenile facilities in Texas, Lawrence was released from prison when he turned 18.

People have always accused kids of getting away with murder. Now that is all too literally true. Across the U.S., a pattern of crime has emerged that is both perplexing and appalling. Many youngsters appear to be robbing and raping, maiming and murdering as casually as they go to a movie or join a pickup baseball game. A new, remorseless, mutant juvenile seems to have been born, and there is no more terrifying figure in America today.

more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,919043,00.html

and how far stories like these can travel these days. There are sick motherfuckers in every generation, probably dating back to the dawn of time. The difference is that now we can learn about them from anywhere in the world in a matter of hours.

Sick fucks are part of and always have been part of the human fabric, sadly.

Today parents are more and more preoccupied about their jobs, their businesses and they have less time to spend with their children. And this is definitely affecting the kids.

this would be less of a problem.

You're position is just that.

5 fucking stories relative to a population between the age of 0 to 24 of roughly 100,000,000 people. Talk about stupid.

Say it ain't so! Whatever will I do with my paintbrush now?!

Their parents happened. A useless, spoiled generation of self-absorbed, sniveling motherfuckers who's single greatest claim to fame was voting for Ronald Reagan because their ignorant, racist asses were scared of Muslims in 1980. Soft-brained, flappy-handed, mindless putzes who's answer to everything comes with a doctor's signature and a daily dosage recommendation. Prattling dumbfucks so obsessed with their own image that they're willing to use their children as pawns to live vicariously through, no matter the cost to their children. Sad, useless dipshits who, when faced with a national crisis, decided the solution was to buy a fucking hummer and bitch about Mexicans, and then demonstrate to their children that crime is okay so long as it pays, by voting for the bastards again, and again, and again. Squalid sociopaths who instilled a firm sense of "fuck you, I've got mine" and "greed is good" and "whatever it takes to get ahead" into their own children, with the hopes that those kids would be ruthless in the marketplace, make lots of money, and support their aging and incontinent breeder units. Shitheaded assholes of all stripes who teach their kids that "different is bad" and then pump those kids full of all medicines known to man to make sure they sit still and stare forward so the parents don't have to do anything resembling parenting.

Also worth mention? That "indigo children" shit is a steaming crock of crap cooked up by the Most Useless Generation in order to make up for their own utter incompetence by, once again, passing the bill to their own children, claiming that little Ethan and Krystal and Tyler and Hailey were unique and special world-altering moonbeams destined to usher in the Aquarian age so that their fatassed cokehead parents could finish the free ride with an ego boost.

"Now wait, Chulanowa" you might say, "Is it really fair to blame the parents? I mean... we protested Vietnam!"

Yes, then you took us to Iraq, so you could watch your own kid's head get blown off because the bad Muslims scared you again. Nice job there, hippy. But you know that aside... yes, it's entirely fair. Children learn most of what they know from theor parents. And if what they learn from their parents is trash - or in your generation's case, if their parents would prefer to not teach them squat - then this is what you'll get.

Happy? Hope so.

But a question was asked, and I felt I should answer.

You can go back to listening to your Lemon Pipers vinyls now.

so you blame mom and dad. just like i blamed my mom and dad's generation. every kid does, its par for the course. your kids will blame you. its the way of the world.

Of course you don't. Rather than address anything I said, you've decided to try to make this personal. Obviously I struck a nerve.

Which statement of mine was it exactly? I'm trying to keep notes. Science, you know.

However, you've got one thing right. My kids probably will blame me and my generation for lots of stuff. Know what's different about you and I? I at least have the sense to admit that they'll probably be right about a fair share of it.

thats what i see in your posts..i finally gave up blaming my mother and father's generation when i read history. every generation has its idiots and its saints. there are wonderful people and awful people, and i hope when i cross over i can say ' i did what i could to help change a few things. ' i think thats all one can do. the best you can, with no expectations. good luck.

"Every generation has its saints and sinners. happy birthday" - I can hear the generic piano music playing.

You seem to have missed the point of this exercise, even when hand-delivered to you.

Bad parents make bad kids.

There. Do you understand this basic statement, or do I need to break out the groovy letters?

namaste.

In 1980 the Muslims were not on the collective radar as a credible threat to the West. They were cartoon characters in Saudi Arabia and imaginary countries (which turned out to be real) on Mission Impossible episodes. They were the localized threat to life in Israel and prosperity in Iran. They were a nuisance in Egypt and Turkey, and the occasional cafe in Italy. They were the diplomats and aristocratic students at Georgetown and American University who made great neighbors. They were the assholes who parked in the fire lane at the grocery store with impunity.

The Iran hostage crisis (in my observational field) wasn't perceived as the Muslim terrorist threat we now associate with Islam. It was about people overthrowing the Shah- because they were all nominally Muslim, we really didn't see it as a Muslim thing, even if there was Muslim rhetoric. It was removed from the US- it was Americans in a place that they probably shouldn't have been, it was many things- but it wasn't in the collective psyche the way it now is.

We were pissed that there were foreigners demonstrating in US cities and being disrespectful to the US. We were pissed that there were US soldiers being held hostage. But it really wasn't the same. 911 really did change everything.

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Does it stand for "mediocre" now?

The main change is access to information, and the practice of cable news to hammer these types of stories into the ground. Why? Because it feeds the need of their viewers to run around with their hair on fire, lamenting the direction of our youth.

We know from ancient books that this phenomenon has been going on at least three thousand years. OMG, what are these kids doing and why can't they be more like we think our generation was?

herald the future!

Good job! I can always count on JVS for a good zinger.

:toast:

Descriptions of indigo children include the belief that they are empathetic, curious, possess a clear sense of self-definition and purpose, strong-willed, independent and unconventional. Indigo children have also been described as having a strong feeling of entitlement, or "deserving to be here." Other alleged traits include a high intelligence quotient, intuitive, resistance to authority,<2><4> disruptive, impatient and easily bored.

How perfectly matched the children described in the selection would be for some of the parents of the <25 set, or as I like to call them "The Volvo Generation".

Please tell me that this has already been sufficiently mocked that it has no chance of traction.

Lord God save me from this insanity! :crazy:

at restaurants while their parents sit there and give them approval for doing it. They're special, after all. Pouring catsup on a table and wiping on your face and every surface within reach is perfectly acceptable behavoir for these enlightend children.

If only our under-developed minds could understand their uniqueness.

People in the wooösphere love the concept, since it turns some grating character flaws into proof that they're really a superior species.

Suddenly just wanting to switch genders seems waaaaaay more normal. Pity for all humanity, but thanks for the reverse-engineered ego boost. Now I don't feel so bad :D

Oh, wait...

No generation is monolithic, and every individual ought be accountable for him/herself only.

Nearly everything can be traced back to how the children were raised. There is maybe 1% of kids that are true crazies. I see it all the time in my neighborhood and in my martial arts school. Parents are not involved in their kid's life. They shove them into all of the extra activities so they don't have to deal with them, or, the parents are more concerned about being their best friend. I have basically come to be a substitute dad for my 16 year old next door neighbor. I offer him advice on life and try to teach him right from wrong. he has no one to talk to when he gets home. He hangs around my place most of the time just so he has someone to interact with. The real dad is more concerned about his personal gains than his offspring, the step dad just belittles him any chance he gets, the mom could care less about much of anything. Self absorbed people. Do i blame the whole generation on this? Not at all, i blame the parents.

I'll give you credit, though- at least you managed to get through this OP without the requisite grousing about "latte types", television, or Star Trek. :thumbsup:

And people have been asshole idiots for as long as human history. Hey, even good ol' Lot let people rape his kids.

Then you'd probably have an inkling as to how stupid and bigoted this argument is.

reports it, then you can become terrified very easily and that terror can be used to make you approve your own execution.

And their volunteerism is the highest on record. I'll go with the kids over the geezers, thanks.

Don't you know that spikes in news coverage of something mean that whatever's being covered is actually happening more often? The news itself told me so!

re: crime - In the election campaign up here the premier's howling on a lot of scared-seniors policies, promising to put some fairly ridiculous penalties and restrictions on minors. Provincewide curfews with huge fines for parents if their kids are out after them are the current popular idea, and there's lots of going on about how much of a clear and present danger Kids These Days are to everyone around us and that they need to be reined in as much as possible.

Fair enough on its surface. So what's it in response to? It's in response to some joke of a gang war out in the sticks (methed-up wifebeatery types, one group of which actually calls itself "the Mob" - where the youngest participant known so far (since December, mind you) is in his thirties.

Misdirection's awesome, especially when all you need to do for it is push people's prejudice buttons.

and some rabid fucking dogs that need to be put down-

That's why some of us are FOR capital punishment...

must be to blame for the obviously, across-the-board fucked up generation that produced these two sociopaths.

Leopold and Loeb, born 1904 and 1905, respectively. Just a coincidence that their screwed up, deeply damaged generation accompanied the invention of the airplane? I think not.

Pol Pot? Born in 1928. Some "Greatest generation", huh?

Don't even get me started on the Boomers.



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:wow:

I could easily dig up a few articles about people matching those descriptions who do bad things. On the bright side youth are far more progressive than older folks on issues like healthcare or gay rights, and more concerned with global issues like human rights in Africa or global poverty.

The rest is history :puke:

kinda like another thread about something up with kids. almost exclusively males saying.... nutin up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5790500&mesg_id=5790500

And because of greater awareness about date rape. :shrug:

:puke:

and I barely understand a lot of people in the 15-20 set. :-( But then, this is red state hell, and I read DU for hope. And my state has Ava! :D

to take four data points and use them to assess the quality of a population of tens of millions.