If "they" screw up healthcare reform, do not buy the lie that it's over for the next umpteen years.

Please. If we do get a crap healthcare bill that basically maintains the status quo with an illusory pass at cursory reform DO NOT ACCEPT IT as the endgame. Keep up the calls, the emails and the pressure on the politicians until a satisfactory reform that assures healthcare for all Americans is arrived at.

Do not roll-over. Do not play dead. Keep fighting. Get ready for Round 2 - the "We're Not as Dumb as You Think Round".

This in no way meant to be defeatist in the current go-round. But I think it might be good to let "them"(you, know, them) know that we're not going to go away until we're happy.

and will not be financed by growing the deficit.

If he can't do that the rest of the world won't be willing to fund health benefits for the US.

and returning those dollars into the economy. If someone's current insurance premium is 900 and 1/4 or a 1/3 of that can be reduced in administrative overhead right off the top, that is money directly going back into the economy. That is just the competitive advantage Medicare has in overhead vs. private insurers. I don't even know what the profit part of the equation would show on top of that given that:

A United Health CEO got over a BILLION dollars in severance from the FOR PROFIT industry in 2006. ONE PERSON got that from premiums collected by a FOR PROFIT company/industry. One person can't even begin to spend a billion dollars. It makes a mockery of the entire financial and health systems. They can't regulate themselves. They have proven that their greed and avarice literally has no bounds.

So, I think that in the sense of taking imprisoned dollars away from one sector of an industry and returning it back into the economy overall, it is a money maker. Plus, imagine how many more people could be employed if dollars were freed up from businesses having to provide healthcare. New employees = new taxes plus money freed up for expansion, etc.

Dollars to the Healthcare INSURANCE industry is a yoke that suppresses ALL Americans and American business. We are a less healthy people and our economy suffers because we have a bought and paid for Congress beholden to certain specific special interests.

Because I don't think China wants to finance US healthcare.

They somehow find a way to finance endless war and they find a way to finance bailing out Wall Street. I will leave it up to the financial geniuses to figure out a way to finance something that is actually GOOD for the American people as a whole FOR ONCE!

What I don't accept is that they can finance everything in the world BUT healthcare and that the head of the Federal Reserve demands that we reduce the deficit by reducing costs of social network programs like SS and Medicare. He can f!@# himself and stuff his advice. Americans could live in a veritable Utopia if we had an ethical , responsible, moral government that directed dollars towards the general benefit of the population: healthcare, education, childcare, energy independence, mass transit, retirement with dignity, etc. And Americans are to blame because they ACCEPT this misdirection of their tax dollars. No more. Pass it. Fund it. Cut defense spending.

healthcare then?

That whole line of reasoning is bs?

All we have to do is to divert the money now going to parasitic private insurers into paying for actual care.

I can totally get behind that - the long view and a relentless road to a worthy goal.

If we don't get Single Payer (and I doubt we will) I think it should be a campaign issue for the duration for as long as it takes.

"Mr/Ms Candidate, where do you stand on Single Payer Healthcare for the US?"

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continues to grow.

it crystal clear to lawmakers that if we get the shaft on healthcare, they will not get our votes when they're up for re-election. All the lobbyists in the world can dump money on their heads, but it's our votes that keep them in office.

And let them know WHY you are voting them out of office in the primary and let the newcomer know WHY they have your support.

"See? We TOLD you that wouldn't work. NOW, will you try it OUR way?"

Because papering over the rot beneath WILL present us those opportunities, and sooner than later.

Humanity has overcome much greater struggles... this is just one more.

that is exactly why we MUST do it now! The need has never been greater. The will has never been greater. If Americans were called upon to sacrifice in some way for secure, universal healthcare, they would do it (EXCEPT for accepting cuts in Medicare and SS!!!!)

I would personally be willing to give up a large percentage of unnecessary defense spending. See, I sacrificed!

It would be nice if they got it mostly right the first time around. What are the odds?

But I do fear that the media and the politicians will say "Mission Accomplished" and not cover it, but we have our own media now and most all great reforms come from the bottom up, not top down. We will get single payer eventually. Probably after this reform starts costing 2x more than estimated. It will become fiscally impossible to accommodate the private insurers and healthcare profiteering.

We must stay on the offense to create the political climate conducive for much needed and long overdue single payer universal coverage of the American People and the elimination of corporations making a profit off the American People's illness and injury.

Thanks for the thread, Phoebe

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On edit too late to recommend.:(

They're trying to shove a sub-standard
fix down our throats.

Single payer/public option NEEDS to be
included or it's not reform.

Got one from "Joe Biden" today....